John de Lacy, of Cromwellbotham

John de Lacy was born circa 1272 at of Cromwelbotham, Yorkshire, England.1 He married Margaret de Eland, daughter of Sir Hugh de Eland and Johanna de Tankersley, circa 1293; They had 2 sons (Henry; & Thomas) & 1 daughter (Margaret, wife of Thomas de Thornhill).1,2 John de Lacy died before July 1310)

Biography

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Lacy-1308

"From Gilbert and Agnes [de Lacy] descended three generations of Johns, the 3rd being described as of Cromwellbottom, the family seat in South Owram."[1] This profile is for the third John. He married Margaret de Eland, daughter of Sir Hugh de Eland and Johanna de Tankersley, circa 1293. They had 2 sons & 1 daughter:[2]

Children:

1. Henry (heir)
2. Thomas
3. Margaret, wife of Thomas de Thornhill

Events

(see Thoresby for details):[3]

• 1292: He claimed land from Robert de Whitworth and others in Spotland "which they had unjustly disseised John del Lacy, his father, whose heir he was."
• 1292: "He claimed the advowson of the church of Rochdale against the Abbot of Stanlawe. Later he quitclaimed his right to the Abbot, and on June 5, 1295, he acknowledged by find that the advowson of the church of Castleton in Rochdale belonged to the Abbot..."
• 8 Oct 1296: "As a yeoman of Hugh de Eland he had protection for one year while staying in Scotland on the King's service."
• 1300: "A cause brought against him and his wife Margaret by Margery daughter of Richard de Eland" regarding rental land in Southowram.
• 1300: Fine involving John de Lacy of "Crumbwellebothem" and Margaret his wife.
• 1302-3: "He held a arucate in Owram (Southowram), where 16 carucates made a knight's fee."
• Undated: "Grant by Alan de Pennington, formerly son and heir of Thomas de Pennington, to John de Lacy of Crumwelbothum..."

He was dead by 3 Edward II (1309/10) when his wife is described as a widow,[4] then 1310/1 when his son Henry had succeeded.[3][2]

http://www.stirnet.com/genie/data/british/ll/lacy2.php

(1) We were close to leaving this page as 'Draft', rather than bringing it into 'the database proper', but accepted that the core of the page comes from a recognised source (Foster's Visitation). However, the first few generations come from various web sites which do not identify their sources. We show them in italics.

(2) Thought to have been an illegitimate son of a member of the de Laci (or Lasci) family shown on Lacy1 was ...

*Gilbert de Lacy, 1st of Cromwellbotham (a 1210) m. Agnes

• *1. ?? de Lacy presumed intermediary generation
  • *A. John Lacy of Cromwellbotham (a 1292) m. Alicia Pennington
    • *I. John Lacy of Cromwellbotham m. Margaret Eland

Some web sites show the next 2 generations as Thomas then Richard (d c1424). Others show as follows.

• a. Robert Lacy of Cromwellbotham m. Eleanor Baskerville (dau of Robert Baskerville son of Walter by Sybill Corbet)
  • (1) Brian Lacy of Cromwellbotham m. Avicia Archdecken (dau of Robert Archdecken)
    • (A) John Lacy of Cromwellbotham - continued below m. Ellen (dau/heir of John or Robert de Cromwellbotham by dau of Henry Leyborne)

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Coat of arms

John P. Ravilious Aug 7, 2007, 6:47:10 PM < GoogleGroups >

Dear Michael,

A long, long time ago (not in a galaxy far away) you had queried re: the Lacys of Cromwellbotham, as to any heraldic evidence that would connect them with the Lacy family of Pontefract. I have found my copy of Alvahn Holmes' work on
the Farrars, which indicates the arms of Lacy of Cromwellbotham were "Argent, 6 ogresses (pellets) 3, 2, 1, sable" [1]. This is supported by Papworth, which gives the following for the Lacys and others:

' Arg. a mullet betw. six ogresses three two and
one. LACY, V.
Arg. six ogresses three two and one. BENWELL,
Oxford; and London, 1785. BEXWELL. FOY
or LA FOY. LACY, Melton Mowbray, co.
Leicester; Cromwell and Beverley, co. York.
TILL. ' [2]

I find that C. T. Clay noted the heraldic evidence concerning the connection of the Lacys of Melton Mowbray, as well as of the Brearley family, to the Lacys of Cromwellbotham. He noted concerning the conjectured descent of Lacy of Melton Mowbray from Richard Lacy that the Visitation pedigree of the family gave the arms as " Argent, six pellets, three, two, and one, a crescent surmounted by a mullet gules for difference." As to the Brearley branch, Clay wrote that "This branch at Glover's Visitation bore the same arms, i.e. of the elder branch of Cromwellbottom, with a crescent gules for difference; but in Constable's Roll of 1558 (Tonge's Visitation, p. xiii) the difference is given as a mullet sable" [3].

Clearly (and unfortunately) this provides no connection to the Lacys of Pontefract.

Cheers,

John *

NOTES

• [1] Alvahn Holmes, The Farrar's Island Family, p. 95.
• [2] J. W. Papworth, An Alphabetical Dictionary of Coats of
• Arms Belonging to Families in Great Britain and
• Ireland, p. 1053.
• [3] C. T. Clay, The Family of Lacy of Cromwellbottom and
• Leventhorpe, Miscellanea 28:482, notes 1 and 2.
• John P. Ravilious

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Research notes

Biography mention 2nd son: Henry De Lacy. Unsourced family trees claim Henry died 1353, had a son Richard (c1333-1416), who had a son John (married to Ann Eland), who had a daughter Jane Lacy (c1422-1460) who married John Kaye (wiki Kaye-723). This is posted for future research and should not be taken as proven!

References

• Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, 2013, Volume 4, page 341, PENNINGTON 13.
• Publications of the Thoresby Society. Miscellanea. Vol. 28, Part IV. 1927. “The Family of Lacy of Cromwellbotham and Leventhorpe.” By C. T. Clay, F.S.A. Page 468-490. < Archive.Org >
• John Ravilious, https://soc.genealogy.medieval.narkive.com/Gx6lGgVb/pennington-and-... (apparently compiled independently before he had access to Clay's article)
• https://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p2994.htm...
• Biographia Halifaxiensis: or, Halifax families and worthies [the biogr portion of J. Watson's History and antiquities of the parish of Halifax] compiled by J.H. Turner. By John Watson, Joseph Horsfall Turner. (1883). “Lacy and Cromwellbothom.” Page 235-238. < GoogleBooks >
• https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Lacy-1308 cites

1. Farrer, William. Early Yorkshire Charters: Being a Collection of Documents Anterior to the Thirteenth Century Made from the Public Records, Monastic Chartularies, Roger Dodsworth's Manuscripts and Other Available Sources. Vol. 3. Edinburgh: Printed for the editor by Ballantyne, Hanson & co, 1916. p. 405 < Archive.Org >
2. Richardson, p. 341
3. Thoresby, p. 474-5 < Archive.Org >
4. Crabtree, p. 369 < Archive.Org >
5. Crabtree, John. 1836. A Concise History of the Parish and Vicarage of Halifax, in the County of York. Halifax: Hartley and Walker. (Also archive.org). < GoogleBooks >
6. Richardson, Douglas. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families. 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. Vol. IV.
7. Publications of the Thoresby Society. Miscellanea. Vol. 28, Part IV. 1927. < Archive.Org >