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John de Moels, II

Also Known As: "John de Mules", "John Molins", "John Moels"
Birthdate:
Birthplace: Castle Cary, Somerset, England
Death: Died in Berkhampstead, Hertfordshire, England
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Son of John de Moels, 1st Baron Moels and Maud de Moels
Husband of Margaret de Moels and Joan de Moels
Father of Isabel de Moels; John de Moels, III and Muriel Courtney
Brother of Nicholas de Moels, 2nd Baron Moels; Roger de Moels and Johannas (de Moels) de la Pomeray

Occupation: Baron
Managed by: Gene Daniell
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About John de Moels, 4th Baron Moels

John de Mulis According to Medlands (see below) John de Mulis was the husband of Margaret de Courtenay NOT Nicholas.

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL1.htm#HughCourtenaydied1292

a) HUGH de Courtenay of Okehampton (-Colcombe 28 Feb 1292, bur Cowick near Exeter). The Fundationis et Fundatorum Historia of Forde Abbey names “Hugonem de Courtnay primum” as son of “dominum Johannem de Courtenay” and his wife “Isabellam filiam domini Johannis de Veere comitis Oxoniæ”[573]. Inquisitions after a writ dated 11 May "2 Edw I" following the death of "John de Corteney alias de Curtenay" name “Isabel sometime his wife...Hugh his son aged 24 is his next heir”[574]. The Fundationis et Fundatorum Historia of Forde Abbey records the death ”apud Colecombe III Kal Mar 1291” of “Hugonem de Courtnay primum” and his burial “apud Cowick prope Exon.”[575]. m ELEANOR Le Despencer, daughter of HUGH Le Despencer & his wife Aline Basset of Wycombe, Buckinghamshire (-30 Sep 1328, bur Cowick near Exeter). The Fundationis et Fundatorum Historia of Forde Abbey records that “Hugonem de Courtnay primum” married “Elianoram filiam…domini Hugonis le Despencer primi, patris etiam domini Hugonis le Despencer…postea comitis Winton”[576]. The Fundationis et Fundatorum Historia of Forde Abbey records the death ”1328 II Kal Oct” of “Hugonem de Courtnay primum…[vidua] domina Alianora” and her burial “prope maritum…apud Cowick”[577]. Hugh & his wife had [seven] children:

  • i) .... etc.
  • vii) MARGARET . The Fundationis et Fundatorum Historia of Ford Abbey names “Isabellam domini Johannis de St John uxorem, Avelinam domini Johannis Gifford militis uxorem, necnon Egelinam Roberti de Scales uxorem, et Margaretam Johannis de Mulis…uxorem” as the four daughters of “Hugonem de Courtnay primum” & his wife[469]. m JOHN de Mulis, son of ---.

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  • Sir John de Moels, 4th Lord Moels, Justice of the Peace1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10
  • M, #14475, b. circa 1304, d. circa 21 August 1337
  • Father Sir John de Moels, 1st Lord Moels11,12 b. c 1269, d. 20 May 1310
  • Mother Maud de Grey11,12 b. c 1274
  • Sir John de Moels, 4th Lord Moels, Justice of the Peace was born circa 1304 at Somerset, Kingskerswell, Devon, Over Worton, Oxon; Of age in 1325.6,10 He married Joan Lovel, daughter of Sir Richard Lovel, 1st Lord Lovel of Castle Cary and Muriel Soulis, circa 1321 at of Somersetshire, England; They had 2 daughters (Muriel, wife of Sir Thomas de Courtenay; & Isabel, wife of Sir William Botreaux).3,5,6,7,10 Sir John de Moels, 4th Lord Moels, Justice of the Peace died circa 21 August 1337 at of North Cadbury & Maperton, Somersetshire, England.3,6,10
  • Family Joan Lovel b. c 1303, d. 21 Aug 1337
  • Children
    • Muriel de Moels+13,4,5,6,14,7,8,9,10 b. c 1322, d. 12 Aug 1369
    • Isabel de Moels+3,6,10 b. 31 May 1326, d. 19 Jul 1349
  • Citations
  • [S3870] Unknown author, Wallop Family, p. 120; The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz, by Ronny O. Bodine, p. 81.
  • [S11568] The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, by George Edward Cokayne, Vol. IX, p. 7-8.
  • [S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 502.
  • [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. II, p. 85.
  • [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. II, p. 426.
  • [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 148-149.
  • [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. II, p. 325.
  • [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. II, p. 456.
  • [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. III, p. 357.
  • [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 95.
  • [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 147-148.
  • [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 94.
  • [S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 274.
  • [S6] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: 2nd Edition, Vol. I, p. 659.
  • From: http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p482.htm#i14475

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  • John de Moels, 4th Baron Moels1
  • M, #403392, d. 2 August 1337
  • Last Edited=20 Oct 2014
  • John de Moels, 4th Baron Moels was the son of Sir John de Moels, 1st Baron Moels and Maud (?). He married Joan Lovel, daughter of Richard Lovel and Muriel Douglas.1 He died on 2 August 1337, without male issue.2
  • He lived at North Cadbury, Somerset, England.3 He lived at East Berkhampstead, Hertfordshire, England.3 He gained the title of 4th Baron Moels.
  • Children of John de Moels, 4th Baron Moels and Joan Lovel
    • Muriel de Moels+1 b. 1322
    • Isabel de Moels+3 b. 21 May 1326
  • Citations
  • [S1916] Tim Boyle, "re: Boyle Family," e-mail message to Darryl Roger Lundy, 16 September 2006. Hereinafter cited as "re: Boyle Family."
  • [S37] BP2003 volume 2, page 2408. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S37]
  • [S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume II, page 241. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.
  • From: http://www.thepeerage.com/p40340.htm#i403392

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  • Sir John de Moels
  • Birth: 1285 Somerset, England
  • Death: Aug., 1337, England
  • 4th and last Baron de Moels
  • John was the son of John de Moels, the first Baron Moels (1269-1310), and Maud de Grey, he was the grandson of Roger de Moels and Reginald de Grey Baron de Wilton, and a descendant of a feudal baron from North Cadbury in Somerset.
  • Other records list his parents as Nicholas de Moels, 2nd Baron de Moels (1289-1315) and Margaret de Courtenay (d 1349), some state Nicholas was his brother, along with Roger, the 3rd Baron de Moels who died without issue and the title was passed onto John.
  • John was the husband of Joan Lovel, the daughter of Richard Lovel of Castle Cary in Somerset and Muriel Douglas. Joan was also the daughter of John's guardian, placing John's age below adulthood at his father's death in 1310. John and Joan had two daughters:
  • Muriel, wife of her cousin, Thomas Courtenay
  • Isabel, wife of William de Botreaux, Sheriff of Cornwall
  • John lived at East Berkhampstead, Hertfordshire and North Cadbury, Somerset. John was never summoned to Parliament, but created a Knight of the Bath in 1327 and was on the Scottish expedition of Edward III in 1334.
  • As John had no sons, the title of Baron fell into abeyance at this death.
  • Family links:
  • Children:
    • Muriel de Moels Courtenay Dinham (1322 - 1369)*
  • Burial: Saint Peters Church, Berkhamsted, Dacorum Borough, Hertfordshire, England
  • Maintained by: Anne Shurtleff Stevens
  • Originally Created by: Jerry Ferren
  • Record added: Apr 12, 2011
  • Find A Grave Memorial# 68265774
  • From: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=68265774

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  • The title Baron Moels was created once in the Peerage of England. On 6 February 1299 John de Moels (1269–1310) was summoned to parliament as the first Baron Moels. He was the second son of Roger de Moels (c.1233-1295) the eldest son and heir of Nicholas de Moels (d.1269), feudal baron of a moiety of North Cadbury, Somerset. He married Maud de Grey, daughter of Reginald de Grey, 1st Baron Grey de Wilton (1230–1308) and had three sons:
    • Nicholas de Moels, 2nd Baron Moels (d.1316), who married Margaret Courtenay (d.1349) daughter of Sir Hugh Courtenay (d.1292), feudal baron of Okehampton and father of Hugh Courtenay, 1st Earl of Devon (d.1340). The marriage was without issue.
    • Roger de Moels, 3rd Baron Moels, who died without male issue in 1316 or 1325.
    • John de Moels, 4th Baron Moels (d.1337), who married Joan Lovel, daughter of Richard Lovel of Castle Cary, Somerset. He died leaving two daughters, co-heiresses to a moiety of the feudal barony of North Cadbury, the de Moels barony by writ and other lands:
      • Muriel (d.pre 1362) the eldest married Thomas Courtenay (d.1356/1362), 5th son of Hugh Courtenay, 1st Earl of Devon (1275–1340).
      • Isabel the younger daughter married William de Botreaux (d.1349), of Boscastle, Cornwall, Sheriff of Cornwall, whose issue was William de Botreaux, 1st Baron Botreaux (1337–1391)[1]
  • On the death of the fourth baron in 1337, the barony fell into abeyance.
    • Barons Moels (1299)
  • John de Moels, 1st Baron Moels (d. 1310)
  • Nicholas de Moels, 2nd Baron Moels (1289–1316)
  • Roger de Moels, 3rd Baron Moels (1295–1316)
  • John de Moels, 4th Baron Moels (d. 1337) abeyant 1337
  • From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baron_Moels

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  • Dictionary of National Biography, 1885-1900, Volume 38
  • Moels, Nicholas de by Charles Lethbridge Kingsford
  • MOELS or MOLIS, NICHOLAS de (fl. 1250), seneschal of Gascony, was perhaps a native of Hampshire. His parentage is unknown; but a Roger de Molis occurs in the reign of Stephen. Nicholas de Moels is first mentioned as being in the royal service in September 1215, and again in March 1217 (Cal. Rot. Claus. i. 229, 301). In January 1224 he is said to be going abroad on the royal service, and in the following year he was sent as a royal messenger to Cologne, in connection with the mission of Walter Mauclerk [q. v.] (ib. ii. 11; Shirley, i. 253, 259). In August 1226 Moels was despatched as messenger to the king's brother, Earl Richard, in Poitou, and in the following March is spoken of as being still in Gascony (Cal. Rot. Claus. ii. 133-4, 179 b). .... In 1261 he had charge of Sherborne Castle, and in 1263 of Corfe Castle. Probably he died not much later. Matthew Paris (iv. 254) calls him 'miles strenuissimus et circumspectus.'
  • Moels married before 1231 Hawyse, daughter of James de Newmarch, in whose right he held Cadbury in Somerset, and Sapperton in Gloucestershire. He had two sons, Roger, and James who was educated with the king's son Edward. Roger de Moels fought in the Welsh wars of Edward I, and dying in 1285 was succeeded by his son John (1259–1310), who was summoned to parliament from 1293 to 1310. John was succeeded by three sons, Nicholas, Roger, and John, on the death of the last of whom, in 1338, the barony fell into abeyance between his two daughters.
  • [Matthew Paris; Shirley's Royal and Historical Letters of the Reign of Henry III (both in the Rolls Series); Gal. of Close Rolls (the Close Rolls include a number of references to Colinus as well as to Nicholas de Moels: it seems clear that the two are identical, cf. i. 599); Fœdera (Record edition); Bémont's Simon de Montfort; Dugdale's Baronage, i. 619-20; Coll. Top. et Gen. iv. 360-1; Balasque et Dulaurens' Etudes Historiques sur la ville de Bayonne, ii. 84-90.]
  • From: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Moels,_Nicholas_de_(DNB00)

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John de Moels, 4th Baron Moels's Timeline

1297
1297
Castle Cary, Somerset, England
1322
May 31, 1322
Age 25
North Cadbury, Somerset, England
1326
May 31, 1326
Age 29
Dorset, England
1336
1336
Age 39
Devon, England, United Kingdom
1337
August 21, 1337
Age 40
Berkhampstead, Hertfordshire, England
1993
July 21, 1993
Age 40
1994
March 18, 1994
Age 40
June 29, 1994
Age 40