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John de Welles

Also Known As: "5th Baron Welles"
Birthdate:
Birthplace: Conisholme, Lincoln, England
Death: Died in Grimsby, North East Lincolnshire, England
Cause of death: John challenged Lindsay to a duel by joust on horseback on London Bridge, where he was killed on the 3rd joust
Immediate Family:

Son of John de Welles, 4th Baron Welles and Maud de Ros, Lady Welles
Husband of Eleanor Alianore de Mowbray, Baroness Welles and Margaret Welles
Father of Joan Andrews; Thomas Welles; Eleanor Welles and Eudes de Welles
Brother of Margery de Welles and Anne Butler, Countess of Ormond

Occupation: English ambassador to Scotland, 5th Baron of Welles, Knight, 5th Lord Welles, Baron De Welles, Knt., Lord Welles of Gainsby
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PLEASE DO NOT CONFUSE THE TWO ELEANOR MOWBRAY'S

ELEANOR MOWBRAY DAU. OF JOAN OF LANCASTER & JOHN MOWBRAY, 3RD BARON DID NOT MARRY JOHN DE WELLES, 5TH BARON HE WAS MARRIED TO HER NIECE ELEANOR MOWBRAY DAU. OF ELIZABETH (SEGRAVE) & JOHN MOWBRAY, 4TH BARON

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John de Welles, 5th Baron Welles

  • Birth: Apr 20 1352 - Conisholme, Lincolnshire, England
  • Baptized: 20 Apr 1352, Church of St. Peter, Conisholme, Lincolnshire, England
  • Death: 1421 - Welles, Lincolnshire, England
  • Parents: John Welles, Maud de Ros
  • Wife: Allianore de Mowbray

John de Welles, 5th Baron Welles (1352–1421) was an English soldier and noble. He married Margaret (SIC: Allianore) de Mowbray (1364-1399), daughter of John, Lord Mowbray by Elizabeth, Baroness Segrave.[1]

At a banquet in Edinburgh and presumably after too much alcohol he issued, as Champion of England, the following challenge to David Lindsay (later 1st Earl of Crawford): “Let words have no place; if ye know not the Chivalry and Valiant deeds of Englishmen; appoint me a day and a place where ye list, and ye shall have experience.”[1] As a result of the challenge, on St George’s Day, 23 April 1390[2], he fought David Lindsay in mock combat on horseback on London Bridge, losing the match by being struck from his horse in their third charge against each other.

He was the father of:

  1. Eudo de Welles, d.v.p., who married Maude de Greystoke, daughter of Ralph de Greystoke, 3rd Baron Greystoke and Catherine Clifford, and had: Sir William Welles, Lord Chancellor of Ireland, married to Anne Barnewall, daughter of Sir Christopher Barnewall, and had issue including Elizabeth, Lady Slane; & Lionel de Welles, 6th Baron Welles
  2. Eleanor de Welles, who married Hugh de Poynings, son of Thomas Poynings, 3rd Baron Poynings and Joan ..., and had issue

Sources

  1. Sir Bernard Burke (1866). A Genealogical History of the Dormant: Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages of the British Empire. Harrison. p. 569.

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  • John de Welles, 5th Baron Welles (1352–1421) was an English soldier and noble. He married Eleanor de Mowbray, daughter of John de Mowbray, 4th Baron Mowbray, and Elizabeth de Segrave, 5th Baroness Segrave.[1]
  • He was summoned to parliament between 20 January 1376 and 26 February 1421.[2]
  • At a banquet in Edinburgh and presumably after too much alcohol he issued, as Champion of England, the following challenge to David Lindsay (later 1st Earl of Crawford): “Let words have no place; if ye know not the Chivalry and Valiant deeds of Englishmen; appoint me a day and a place where ye list, and ye shall have experience.”[1] As a result of the challenge, on St George’s Day, 23 April 1390,[3] he fought David Lindsay in mock combat on horseback on London Bridge, losing the match by falling from his horse in their third charge against each other.
  • He was the father of:
    • Eudo de Welles (1387-1421), who predeceased his father. He married Maud Greystoke, daughter of Ralph de Greystoke, 3rd Baron Greystoke and Katherine Clifford.[2] by whom he had a son and daughter:
      • Lionel de Welles, 6th Baron Welles.[2]
      • Sir William Welles, Lord Chancellor of Ireland, married to Anne Barnewall, daughter of Sir Christopher Barnewall, and had issue including Elizabeth, Lady Slane;
    • Eleanor de Welles, who married Hugh de Poynings, son of Thomas Poynings, 3rd Baron Poynings and Joan ..., and had issue
  • From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_de_Welles,_5th_Baron_Welles

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  • Sir John Welles, 5th Baron Welles1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12
  • M, #11101, b. 20 April 1352, d. 26 August 1421
  • Father Sir John de Welles, 4th Lord Welles3,13,14,15 b. 23 Aug 1334, d. 11 Oct 1361
  • Mother Maud de Roos3,13,14,15 b. c 1333, d. 9 Dec 1388
  • Sir John Welles, 5th Baron Welles was born on 20 April 1352 at Conisholme, Lincolnshire, England.3,4,8,12 He married Alianore Mowbray, daughter of Sir John de Mowbray, 4th Baron Mowbray and Elizabeth de Segrave, before 1368; They had 1 son (Eudes) and 1 daughter (Eleanor, wife of Sir Hugh Poynings, & of Sir Godfrey Hilton).16,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12 Sir John Welles, 5th Baron Welles married Margery circa 13 August 1417; No issue.4,8,12 Sir John Welles, 5th Baron Welles died on 26 August 1421 at of Gainsby, Lincolnshire, England, at age 69.3,4,8,12
  • Family 1 Alianore Mowbray b. b 1361, d. a 1399
  • Children
    • Eleanor Welles+17,3,4,6,7,10,11,12 b. c 1385, d. a 7 Nov 1458
    • Eudo de Welles+3,4,8,12 b. c 1387, d. b 26 Jul 1417
  • Family 2 Margery d. 8 Apr 1426
  • Citations
  • [S2893] Unknown author, Ancestors of American Presidents by Gary Boyd Roberts, p. 152; Plantagenet Ancestry of 17th Century Colonists, by David Faris, p. 277.
  • [S11568] The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, by George Edward Cokayne, Vol. XII/2, p. 443.
  • [S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 758.
  • [S15] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, p. 875.
  • [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 207.
  • [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 308.
  • [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. IV, p. 299.
  • [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. IV, p. 303-304.
  • [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 187.
  • [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 324.
  • [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. V, p. 326.
  • [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. V, p. 330-331.
  • [S15] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, p. 874-875.
  • [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. IV, p. 303.
  • [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. V, p. 330.
  • [S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 531.
  • [S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 571.
  • From: http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p370.htm#i11101

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  • John de Welles, 5th Baron Welles1
  • M, #176144, b. 20 April 1352, d. 26 August 1421
  • Last Edited=17 Sep 2014
  • John de Welles, 5th Baron Welles was baptised on 20 April 1352. He was the son of John de Welles, 4th Lord Welles and Maud de Ros.1 He married Alianor de Mowbray, daughter of John de Mowbray, 4th Lord Mowbray and Elizabeth de Segrave, Baroness Segrave, before May 1386.2 He died on 26 August 1421 at age 69.1
  • He succeeded to the title of 5th Baron Welles.
  • Children of John de Welles, 5th Baron Welles and Alianor de Mowbray
    • Eudes de Welles+2 d. b 26 Jul 1417
    • Eleanor Welles3
  • Citations
  • [S22] Sir Bernard Burke, C.B. LL.D., A Genealogical History of the Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages of the British Empire, new edition (1883; reprint, Baltimore, Maryland: Genealogical Publishing Company, 1978), page 572. Hereinafter cited as Burkes Extinct Peerage.
  • [S1545] Mitchell Adams, "re: West Ancestors," e-mail message to Darryl Roger Lundy, 6 December 2005 - 19 June 2009. Hereinafter cited as "re: West Ancestors."
  • [S130] Wikipedia, online http;//www.wikipedia.org. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  • From: http://www.thepeerage.com/p17615.htm#i176144

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  • John Welles
  • Birth: 1350
  • Death: 1426
  • Family links:
  • Parents:
  • John de Welles (1334 - 1361)
  • Siblings:
  • Margery Welles Scrope (____ - 1422)*
  • John Welles (1350 - 1426)
  • Anne Welles Butler (1360 - 1397)*
  • Burial: Unknown
  • Find A Grave Memorial# 140292010
  • From: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=140292010

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  • John de Welles
  • Birth: Aug. 23, 1334 Willoughby, Lincolnshire, England
  • Death: Oct. 11, 1361
  • Son and heir of Adam Welles, Lord Welles.
  • His wife Maud was a daughter of Sir William de Ros, Lord Ros of Hamlake, by his wife Margery de Badlesmere.
  • Family links:
  • Parents:
  • Adam De Welles (1304 - 1345)
  • Margaret Eleanor Bardolf Welles (1308 - 1345)
  • Children:
    • Margery Welles Scrope (____ - 1422)*
    • John Welles (1350 - 1426)*
    • Anne Welles Butler (1360 - 1397)*
  • Burial: Lincoln Cathedral, Lincoln, City of Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England
  • Plot: North side of the Lady Chapel
  • Find A Grave Memorial# 140291925
  • From: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=140291925

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  • A Genealogical History of the Dormant: Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages of the British Empire. By Sir Bernard Burke
  • https://books.google.com/books?id=1ysWkXKSrpIC&pg=PA572#v=onepage&q&f=false
  • https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_K3MaAAAAYAAJ
  • https://archive.org/stream/bub_gb_K3MaAAAAYAAJ#page/n603/mode/1up
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    • WELLES—BARONS WELLES.
  • The first of this family mentioned by Sir William Dugdale is
  • ADAM DE WELLES, who, in the 6th of RICHARD I.,* paid 10 markes for adhering to John, Earl of Moreton, who at that time assumed more authority, during his brother's captivity, than he was afterwards able to justify. After this Adam came
  • WILLIAM DE WELLES, who, in the 9th of JOHN, gave 50 marks for one knight's fee in Grimsby, co. Lincoln, and was s. by another
  • WILLIAM DE WELLES, who in the 11th EDWARD I., obtained license for a weekly market and a yearly fair at his manor of Alford, in Lincolnshire. He m. Isabel de Vesci, and had two sons, William, a minor, 49th HENRY III., and
  • ADAM DE WELLES, who in the 22nd EDWARD I. was in the wars of Gascony, and was summoned to parliament, as a Baron, 6 February, 1299, in which year he was made constable of Rockingham Castle, and warden of the forest. The next year he was in the wars of Scotland, and again in 1301 and 1302; and had regular summonses to parliament to the year of his decease, 1311. He m. Joane, dau. and heir of John d'Engayne, and had a son,
  • ROBERT DE WELLES, baron, never summoned to parliament. This nobleman d. in two years after he had attained majority, anno 1320, and leaving no issue by his wife, Maud de Clare, widow of Roger de Clifford, he was s. by his brother,
  • ADAM DE WELLES, 3rd baron, summoned to parliament from 20 July, 1332, to 20 April, 1343. This nobleman, at the period of his brother's death, was only sixteen years of age; he attained his majority in the 20th EDWARD II., and doing his homage had livery of his lands. In the 7th EDWARD III. his lordship was in the wars of Scotland, and again in two years afterwards, at which latter period he was a knight. In the 16th of the same reign he was charged with ten men-at-arms and ten archers for the king's service in France, and the like number in the next year. He m. Margaret, dau. of John, Lord Bardolf, and dying 1345, left with a dau., Margaret, who m. William, son of William, Lord Deincourt, a son,
  • JOHN DE WELLES, 4th baron, summoned to parliament 15 December, 1357, and 20 November, 1360. The wardship of this nobleman, who was a minor at his father's decease, was granted to Margaret, widow of William, Lord Ros, of Hamlake. In the 22nd EDWARD III., although still in minority, he caused his father's executors to purchase a rent of ten pounds per annum, from the monks of Bardney, for the behoof of the abbess and suns of Grenefield, which monastery was founded by his ancestors; in consideration whereof they obliged themselves, and their successors, to find two fitting priests, to celebrate masses, matins, placebo, dirge, and commendation, every day in the chapel of our lady, within that their monastery of Grenefield, for the health of the souls of his lordship's predecessors. Lord Welles had livery of his lands in the 29th EDWARD III., and in four years afterwards he was in the wars of Gascony. He m. Maud, dau. of the aforesaid Margaret, Lady Ros, d. in 1361, and was s. by his son,
  • JOHN DE WELLES, 5th baron, summoned to parliament from 20 January, 1376, to 26 February, 1421. This nobleman served in the expedition made into Flanders, in the retinue of John, Duke of Lancaster, in the 27th EDWARD III., and in the 1st RICHARD II. was in the wars of France. The next year he was in the garrison of Berwick, under Henry Percy, Earl of Northumberland, its governor. His lordship subsequently obtained license to travel beyond sea, and returning in the 8th RICHARD II., had leave to go abroad again for the vindication of his honour, having received some affront from a knight in France. He seems to have come home solely to procure letters testimonial vouching for his credit and reputation. After this we find him in the Scottish wars; and in the 19th of the same reign, he was ambassador to Scotland, .... Of this Lord Welles nothing further is known than the period of his decease, anno 1421; .... Lord Welles m. Margaret, or Eleanor, dau. of John, Lord Mowbray, and had two daus., Margaret, m. 1st, John de Huntingfield; 2ndly, Stephen, 2nd Lord Scrope, of Masham; and Anne m. to James, 3rd Earl of Ormande. He was s. by (the son of his deceased eldest son Eudo, by his wife, Maude, dau. of Ralph, Lord Greystock) his grandson,
  • SIR LEO, or LIONEL DE WELLES, as 6th baron, summoned to parliament from 25 February, 1432, to 30 July, 1460. This nobleman received the honour of knighthood, in the 4th HENRY VI., from the Duke of Bedford at Leicester, with the young king himself, and divers other persons of rank. His lordship for several years after served with great honour in France, and was made lieutenant of Ireland for seven years, in the 16th of the same reign. When the fatal feud between the houses of York and Lancaster broke out, Lord Welles arrayed himself under the banner of the latter, and adhering to his colours with unbending fidelity, fell at the battle of Towton Field, on Palm Sunday, 1461. His remains were deposited in Waterton Chapel, at Methley, co. York. His lordship m. 1st, Joan, or by some accounts, Cecilia, only dau. of Sir Robert Waterton, of Waterton and Methley, co. York, and sister and heir of sir Robert Waterton, also of Waterton, Knt., and had issue,
    • .... etc.

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Information on John De Welles Knt....5th Lord Welles of Gainsby

  • Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families

http://books.google.co.nz/books?id=p_yzpuWi4sgC&pg=RA1-PA758&lpg=RA1-PA758&dq=eleanor+de+mowbray+%2BJOHN+WELLS&source=web&ots=RQvK4QYad7&sig=cO8oy3Kjcg4gdsvk-jzgeXxoOLw&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=5&ct=result

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John DE WELLS was born in 1324. He died in 1361. Parents: Adam DE WELLS and Margaret BARDOLPH.

Spouse: Maud DE ROS. Children were: John DE WELLS.

John DE WELLS was born on 20 Apr 1352. He died in 1421. Parents: John DE WELLS and Maud DE ROS.

Spouse: Eleanor DE MOWBRAY. Children were: Anne WELLS.

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(Usher of the Exchequer)


2nd Baron Welles


Retained for life by John of Gaunt

Married (2) Margaret 1417

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John de Welles, 5th Baron Welles (1352–1421) was an English soldier and noble the English ambassador to Scotland. He married Margaret "Eleanor," daughter of John, Lord Mowbray by Elizabeth, Baroness Segrave. He was born in Welle, Lincolnshire, England on 20th April 1352. John De Welles died on 26 August 1421.

At a banquet in Edinburgh , after arguing over who was the most gallant of their countrymen, he issued, as Champion of England, the following challenge to David Lindsay (later 1st Earl of Crawford): “Let words have no place; if ye know not the Chivalry and Valiant deeds of Englishmen; appoint me a day and a place where ye list, and ye shall have experience.”

As a result of the challenge, on St George’s Day, 23rd April 1390, in the presence of Richard II of England , he fought David Lindsay in a jousting tournament on London Bridge.

The day for the encounter arrived, and the two knights fully armed in the plate armour of the period were conducted to the Bridge, where a daïs had been erected for Richard II and the members of his Court.

All the suitable positions were occupied by the nobility, and elsewhere the populace crowded every available corner. When all was in readiness the heralds gave the signal and the two horsemen, spurring their heavy horses, charged full at one another.

Spears were broken, but both warriors remained seated firmly in their saddles. "The people beholding how stiffelie earle (sic) David sat without moving, cried that the Scottisman was locked in his saddle. He hearing this, leapt beside his horse, and verie nimblie mounted up againe into the saddle, armed as he was, to the great wonder of the beholders."

With fresh spears a second course was taken and once more the weapons were splintered "and yet without anie great hurt on either part." At the third collision Lord Welles was borne from his saddle and fell heavily to the ground, being "sore hurt." The onlookers appear to have thought he was killed, but Lindsay was quickly off his horse, and, kneeling by his side, he tenderly held him in his arms until the doctor came to tend his wounds.

http://www.family-forest.co.uk/familytree/biographies/welles/sir-john-welles-5th-baronet-.shtml

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John de Welles, 5th Baron Welles's Timeline

1352
April 20, 1352
Conisholme, Lincoln, England
April 20, 1352
Conisholme, Lincolnshire, England
1382
June 1382
Age 30
Ufton, Warwickshire, England
1385
1385
Age 32
Little Hayward, Whorecross, Staffordshire, England
1387
1387
Age 34
Wells, Lincolnshire, England
1390
1390
Age 37
Wells, Lincolnshire, England

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Eleanor WELLES (AFN: G609-XX) Pedigree
Sex: F Family
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Birth: Abt 1390 Wells, Lincoln, England
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Father: John De WELLES (AFN: 8J5R-GG) Family
Mother: Eleanor De MOWBRAY (AFN: 8J5J-JT)
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Spouse: Hugh De POYNINGS (AFN: B19K-0N) Family
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1421
August 26, 1421
Age 69
Grimsby, North East Lincolnshire, England
1938
June 18, 1938
Age 69
June 18, 1938
Age 69