John "the Todd"

Andrew Todd

• Gender: Male
• Birth: 1660
• Forfar, Angus, Scotland
• Death: 1719 (59)
• Derrynoose, Armagh, Ireland
• Place of Burial: Armagh, County Armagh, Northern Ireland
• Immediate Family:
• Father of Hugh Todd and Sgt. Robert Thomas Todd
• In MyHeritage Family Trees
• * Andrew Todd 1660 - 1719
• * Birth: 1660 Forfar, Angus, Scotland
• * Marriage: Marriage to: <Private>1682 Ireland
• * Marriage: Marriage to: <Private>1686 Armagh, Armagh, Ireland
• * Marriage: Marriage to: <Private>1690 Armagh, Northern Ireland
• * Marriage: Marriage to: <Private>Nov 13 1717 Soho, London, England
• * Death: 1719 County Armagh, Northern Ireland
• * Burial: Armagh, County Armagh, Northern Ireland
• * Family members
• * Father: John Todd1660 - 1719
• * Wife: Isabella Todd (born Parker)1664 - ?
• * Brother: Robert Samuel Todd1697 - 1776
• * Children:
• * Hugh Todd1686 - 1772

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NOTE: when comparing the profiles from MY Heritage side and adding data into this profile and his son John PLEASE BE VERY CAREFUL - the trees from that side are utterly a confusing mess they have confused the marriages of him and his son - dates for him are correct with the birth date varying from 5-10 years forward or backwards.

One source in the Todd research claims that we need to look further beyond "John The Todd"; I assume the reasoning is that there is ro records beyond this point and no documentation.

JOHN TODD b. between 1650 1660 in Lanar[William Todd kshire or Forfar, Angus Scotland d. between 1717 - 1719 in County Armagh, Ireland

John Todd married twice. T'he name of his first wife has not been found, but together they had six children.

• A. James Todd - b. (?) died in 1757 in Ballymore parish in County Armagh. He married Ellinor (?).
• B. Samuel Todd – b. (1696 - 1698) in Ireland d. 1760 in Augusta County, Virginia. He married Ann Houston.
• C. William Todd b (?) d (1780) He married Jean Lowe and possibly immigrated to Pennsylvania then to Rockbridge County, Virginia. NOTE There is no documentary basis for the generations prior to William Todd

thus he had bee disconnected from this family

• D. ROBERT TODD b. 1697 in County Armagh, Ireland - d. April 3, 1775 in Trappe, Montgomery County, ennsylvania. He is also referred to as Robert the Emigrant. Immigrated to Pennsylvania with his brother Andrew in 1737. Married first to Ann Smith in Ireland. They had two sons. He then married Isabella Bodley Hamilton in Ireland. They had nine children.
• E. Elizabeth Todd - b. (?) d. (?) married William Morehead
• F. Esther Todd b. (?) d. (?) married John Sloan.

The child of JOHN TODD and his second wife Rose Cornell was:

• G. Andrew Todd b. (?) in County Armagh, Ireland d. 1791 in Louisa County, Virginia at the home of his son, Dr. Andrew Todd. Married a widow, Mrs. Elizabeth McDowell (b. 1721 d. July 8, 1773)."

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Parent Directory to The Story of this Site and How to Use It Richard McMurtry It is well VERY WELL documented and the information within the pages are mind boggling

Discoveries of the Todd DNA Project... The 1905 published history of the Mary Todd Lincoln Family summarized the origins of the family as contained in a letter written by a grandson of the Robert Todd 1697-1775 which stated that two half-brothers Robert Todd and Andrew Todd came to New York and then Robert came to Pennsylvania and Andrew followed.

Research confirmed Robert’s arrival in Pennsylvania by 1755 and Andrew’s arrival in 1760.

However, the account books of the Janeway Store in Bound Brook New Jersey plus later court records showed there were 5 Todd brothers: Robert, William, John, James and Andrew, that they lived in Somerset Co and Hunterdon Co New Jersey.

The DNA disclosed that the three brothers who didn’t go to Pennsylvania were (1) William Todd who came to Augusta Co VA by 1750, (2) John Todd who went to Mecklenburg Co NC by 1767 and (3) James Todd who remained in Hunterdon Co were the lost and forgotten brothers of this family.

Discoveries of the Todd DNA Project

Explaining the DNA Data Sheet and DNA Matrix November 2006

The Todds of Somerset Co New Jersey

PHASE II REPORT TODD FAMILY DNA PROJECT

The Writing of the Todd Family History as reflected in the Emilie Todd Helm Papers

Essays on Early Todd/McMurtry/Hutton Origins

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Info found on John Todd:

http://www.delanet.com/~rbarry/ahnen.html

John TODD was born estimated 1650. He died about 1718 in Drumgare, Derrynoose, Armagh, Ireland and was buried in Tynan, Armagh, Ireland. John married [449] in Armagh, Ireland (MRIN:263). [449] was born estimated 1650 in Ireland.

William TODD b.1739 Montgomery co. PA. Posted by: linda wright December 31, 1998

Branch 20 of the Todd's starts with James Todd b. abt. 1630 in Scotland. His son John (b. 1650 Scotland d. 1718 Irl.) married twice, 2nd wife was Rose Cornell. Andrew TODD was son by 1st wife and Robert TODD by 2nd. Robert (b.1697 Armagh co. Irl.& d.1775 Montgomery Co. PA.) Robert married twice, first wife was a Smith & second wife was Isabella Bodley.Children by 1st wife were Rev. John and David TODD. children with 2nd wife were

• 1) William,
• 2) Andrew,
• 3) Robert,
• 4) Samuel,
• 5) Levi,
• 6) Mary,
• 7) Elizabeth,
• 8) Sarah.

RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project Miller Family Tree22

11522 total entries, last updated Apr 1 2000 Joe

Miller <jsmeda@erols.com>

ID: I07552

• Name: John TODD 1
• Birth: 1667 in Forfar, Angus Co, Scotland 1
• Death: 1719 in Drumgare, Derrnoose Parish, Co. Armagh, Ireland 1
• Ancestral File #: K7D8-58
• Burial: Tynan Churchyard, Tynon, Armagh Co, Ireland 1
• Note: [John Todd.FTW]

SOURCE NOTES:

Chamberlain, Gretchen French, R. C. Todd, and Rev. David Todd, Descendents of Hugh TODD of Pennsylvania, Buford Chapter of Daughters of American Revolution, Huntington, W. VA, 1948. LDS film#0875405 item#9.

Cooper, Chris R, LDS Ancestral File submission AF91-101357, 2262 Pinto St, La Verne, CA 91750.

Helm, Emily Todd, "TODD Family, based on the manuscript of Emily Todd Helm", series of magazine articles in Kittochtinny Magazine, vol 1ff, 1905, p69-383 (with gaps). LDS FILM#0176612#1 (installments 1-3).

Johnson, Houston E., and Annette Gallaher Murphy, The TODD Family History, Annette Gallaher Murphy, 1982. LDS FILM #1035667, 1984.

Seilhamer, G. O., Kittochtinny Magazine, vol 1 no 1, Jan 1905, Editor's Table p105.

RESEARCH NOTES:

It was his sons Robert and Andrew Todd came over first from Ireland.

Robert Todd , settled in Pennsylvania and Andrew at Todds Point below Cambridge, Md. Michael Todd and Levin Todd came over a few years later and settled near Andrew. Hugh Todd may have been their father. Their grandfather's name was John Todd.

Robert Todd came from County Antrim, and settled on wild lands in the interior of Pennsylvania, whence his descendants spread into New Jersey, Carolina, Georgia and Kentucky.
It was into a branch of this Irish stock that President Abraham Lincoln married, Mary Todd, Lincoln being the great-granddaughter of Robert Todd, who was a native of Pennsylvania and a general in the Revolutionary Army.

John Todd was presumable a native of Scotland. It is a tradition of his American descendents that he wore a looped up hat and buckskin breeches, with long stockings and large silver shoe buckles. He lived at Drumgare, in Derrynoose parish, Co. Armagh, Ireland, and was buried in Tynan churchyard.

Derrynoose and Tynan were very ancient Irish parishes. The early Derrynoose parish church stood in the Townland of Lisatarkelt, in the part of the parish that is in the Barony of Tiranny. As early as 1430 the provision made for the vicar by the college of Colidei of Armagh, to which it was appropricate, was so small that no one could be found to accept the benefice. After the Plantation of Ulster Derrynoose and Tynan were united by the Crown and became one rectory. Nearly a century of dissatisfaction with the union followed, and finally in 1709-12 it was terminated. Other charges were made from time to time. Derrynoose is now the rectory of Keady.

For more than a century before the Plantation the territory from Tynan to Keady and from Madan church to Navanfort and the Blackwater was the heart of the O'Neill's country. Tynan parish thus became the centre of the efforts of the great Earl of Tyrone to preserve his supremacy, and of the Lord Deputy of Queen Elizabeth and King James I to rule the North. After the suppression of the great rebellion of 1641 Tynan also became the centre of the efforts to establish the supremacy of the English Church in Ireland.

It appears both from his environment and the provisions in his will affecting the parishes of Derrynoose and Tynan that John Todd was a Churchman, but the fact that his descendants in America are Presbyterians may be accounted for by the Presbyterian influences that surrounded them in Armagh.

The Presbyterian congregation of Tynan can be traced back in the record of the General Synod of Ulster to 1691. The meeting house was that now known as Lisloony - the fort of O'Loony - which took its name from the townland in which it stands. The townland obtained its name from the splendid double-ringed fort crowning the hill overlooking Tynan. The congretation was scattered over a wide district and embraced parts of the counties of Armagh, Monaghan, and Tyrone. It was known previous to 1702 as the congregation of Kinaird, now Caledon, taking its name from the principal town in the district, although Kinaird was in an adjoining parish. The Kinaird congregation embraced the sounthern part of the barony of Tyranny in the county Armagh, extending as far north as Eglish, and it included a large slice of the barony of Armagh, extending to within a couple of miles of Armagh city and a like distance from Keady. In Monaghan it took in the barony of Truagh, and in Tyrone it embracced the territory of Winterburn, and extended to within two miles of Aughnacloy. The Rev. William Ambrose was the first minister.

The district in which Mr. Todd settled and where he died not only possessed a varied historic interest, but from this region in the eighteenth century came many emigrants to Pennsylvania, including two, and perhaps three of his sons, and the ancestors of the Poes, Potters, and Bards. [Ref: Helm 69-70]

The assumption that the Todd family of Pennsylvania and Kentucky, to which Mrs. Abraham Lincoln belonged, is derived from John Todd, of County Armagh, Ireland, differs from the conclusion reached by Mrs. Helm. She derives the family from James Todd, of County Down, who was born in 1646 and died in 1704, aged 58 years, and was buried in a walled burying ground in County Down. His son, John Todd, born in 1693, inherited his lands and was buried in the same place in 1757, aged 64 years, leaving the same possessions to his son James Todd, who died in 1829. This James Todd left four sisters and three sons who were,

• 1. David,
• 2. James, and
• John Todd; John married Martha McCall, and left four sons and two daughters.

The burying ground is about four miles from the Todd home.

Abstract of wills obtained from the Record Office, Four Courts, Dublin, fail to accord with the assumption that John Todd, of County Down, was the ancestor of the Pennsylvania and Kentucky Todds, but point to John Todd, of County Armagh. The wills of the Todds of Down are deficient in the necessary names at the necessary time for the Pennsylvania ancestors.

The will of John Todd, of Armagh, meets all the necessary conditions except one - he was apparently a Churchman, while the Pennsylvania Todds were Presbyterians. In both Down and Armagh the Todds were representative Presbyterians at the beginning of the eighteenth century.

Elder John Todd sat as delegate for Donoughmore, Co. Down, in the General Synod of Ulster, with his pastor, the Rev. James Johnston, in 1708, 1709, 1711, and 1720; and Elder James Todd was delegate for Vinecash, Co. Armagh, with his pastor, the Rev. William Mackay, in 1717, and Elder John Todd for the same charge in 1725. The Rev. James Todd was pastor at Vinecash, 1747-1795.

Vinecash is a village in the ecclesiastical district of Mullavilly, between Tanderages and Portadown.

Other Todds were Presbyterian elders, and among the delegates to the General Synod of Ulster were Elder Andrew Todd, Drumbo, Co. Donegal, 1738; Elder Andrew Todd, Stonebridge, (Clones), Co. Monaghan, 1739; Elder James Todd, Dervock, Co. Antrim, 1742; and Elder John Todd, Loughbrickland, Co. Down, 1753. All these were probably of the same stock, but their relationship is a difficult problem in constructive genealogy. [Ref: Seilhamer p104]

SOURCE NOTES:

• date: [Ref: Johnson] abt 1668 [Ref: LDS AF],
• place: [Ref: Johnson]Scotland [Ref: Chamberlain p34],
• parents: [Ref: Johnson]

RESEARCH NOTES:

• name: John [Ref: Chamberlain, Helm p69, Johnson] Thomas Robert [Ref: LDS AF]

SOURCE NOTES:

• date: [Ref: Johnson] 1718? [Ref: Chamberlain p34, Helm p69],
• place:[Ref: Johnson] Ireland [Ref: Chamberlain p34]

RESEARCH NOTES:

• place: Montgomery Co, PA [Ref: LDS AF]

SOURCE NOTES:

• place: [Ref: Johnson]
• Father: John Or James TODD b: 1639 in Scotland
• Mother: Isabelle PARKER

Marriage 1 Isabelle BODLEY b: ABT. 1672

• Married: JAN 1

Note: [John Todd.FTW]

SOURCE NOTES: date: first marriage [Ref: Johnson],

• names: John TODD & Isabella BADLEY [Ref: LDS AF] John TODD & Isabella BODLEY or Isabella PARKER [Ref: Johnson]

Children

• 1.James TODD
• 2.William TODD
• 3.Elizabeth TODD
• 4.Esther TODD
• 5.Samuel TODD b: 1685
• 6.+ Robert TODD b: 1697 in County Armiga,

Ireland

Marriage 2 Rose CORNELL

• Married: FEB 1

Note: [John Todd.FTW]

SOURCE NOTES:

• date: second marriage [Ref: Helm p70, Johnson]

Children

• 1.+ Andrew TODD b: 1702 in Co. Armagh, Ireland

Sources:

1.Title: John Todd.FTW Text: Date of Import: Feb 21, 2000

• RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project Blanchard and Mary Seabrook Smith
• 5886 total entries, last updated Mar 17 2000 Blanchard
• Smith <bdsr@erols.com>

ID: I5860

• John TODD
• Birth: 1660 in Forbar, Augus. Scotland
• Death: 1719 in Armagh, Ireland
• Father: James TODD b: 1639
• Mother: Isabella PARKER b: ABT. 1643
• Marriage 1 Rose CORNELL b: ABT. 1680 in Armagh, Ireland
• Married: ABT. 1690 in Armagh, Ireland [???]

Children

• 1.James TODD b: ABT. 1694 in Armagh, Ireland
• 2.William TODD b: ABT. 1694 in Armagh, Ireland
• 3.+ Samuel TODD b: ABT. 1696 in Armagh,

Ireland

• 4.Robert TODD b: 23 APR 1697 in Armagh,

Ireland

• 5.Elizabeth TODD b: 1699 in Armagh, Ireland
• 6.Esther TODD b: ABT. 1701 in Armagh, Ireland

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I believe someone confused his mother and his wife in this case. There are four spouses listed (two separate names), but the combined children of each name are the same. Given that his mother's name was Isabella Parker, I'm inclined to say he only had one wife, Rose Cornell. --SPF

LDS Individual Record John TODD (AFN: QH86-6G)

• Sex: M

Event(s):

Birth: 1660 - Forbar, Augus, Scotland

Death: 1719 - Drumgare, Ulster, Armagh, North Ireland

Burial: Tynan Churchyard, Derrymore Parish

Parents:

• Father: John Or James TODD (AFN: 121B-XDX) Family
• Mother: Isabella PARKER (AFN: 14RG-H3S)

Marriage(s):

Spouse: Rose CORNELL (AFN: 121B-X2V)

• Marriage: Bef 1691 - Armagh, Ireland

Spouse: Isabelle PARKER (AFN: 121B-XBJ) Family

• Marriage: Abt 1701 - Armagh, Ireland

Spouse: Isabella PARKER (AFN: QH80-N2)

• Marriage:

Spouse: Rose CORNELL (AFN: QH86-7M)

• Marriage:

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John Todd was presumable a native of Scotland. It is a tradition of his American descendents that he wore a looped up hat and buckskin breeches, with long stockings and large silver shoe buckles.

He lived at Drumgare, in Derrynoose parish, Co. Armagh, Ireland, and was buried in Tynan churchyard. Derrynoose and Tynan were very ancient Irish parishes. The early Derrynoose parish church stood in the townland of Lisatarkelt, in the part of the parish that is in the barony of Tiranny.

He settled in Ireland, in variable, in all of the old records, he was spoken of as "John the Todd" and historoical accounts verify the tradition that he was the Young Laird of Dunbar, exiled by John the Graham of Claverhouse for religious differences, together with his father, James.

John was taken prisoner and put on a ship that was wrecked off the coast of Ireland soon after setting sail; the majority of prisoners on the ship were drowned but the young Laird swam ashore and escaped into Ireland where he was called "John the Todd".

Under this newly earned and assumed name he remained in Ireland and the Earldom of Dunbar went to others. It would have been certain death for John, the young Laird of Dunbar, to have it known who he was and, although we have no proof that he was a Dunbar, except the word of mouth information that has come down to us from father to son and tallies with offical records to the point where "he was lost sight of when the ship went down:.

We need not look for the name "Todd" back of John who is buried in Tynan Churchyard near Drumgare, Derrynoose Parish, Armagh, Ireland where he died in 1719. He was described as a Scotish laird meaning simply that he owned land in simple fee and was a landlord, not that he was in any degree allied with nobility. John was born in Scotland in 1650 and was 19 when his father, James, was killed in the Battle of Bothwell Bridge.

He was in reality a Dunbar. He was married 1st some say to Isabelle Parker or Bodley [her mother was a Parker]; yet another contends the wife is unknown and 2nd wife is Rose Cornell.

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Another lists the todd ancestry as:

• James John TODD was born 1631, and died 22 JUN 1679 in Lanarkshire,Scotland.

Child of James John TODD is:

• + 2 i. John TODD was born ABT 1660 in ,Scotland, and died 1719 in ,Ireland.

2. John TODD (James John TODD1) was born ABT 1660 in ,Scotland, and died 1719 in ,Ireland. He married Isabella. She died AFT 1697.

Child of John TODD and Isabella is:

• + 3 i. Robert TODD was born 23 APR 1697 in County Down,Ireland, and died 3 APR 1775 in Trappe,Providence Twsp.,Montgomery Co.,Pennsylvania. He was buried in Providence Church, Eagleville, Montgomery Co., Pennsylvania. He married Ann Jean SMITH. She was born in Ireland, and died 1725 in ,Ireland. He married Isabella Bodley HAMILTON ABT 1725.

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RECORD:

1. Houston C. Johnson & Annetta Galogher, Todd Family.

2. Emilie and Katherine Helm , TODD & HELM FAMILY PAPERS.

• http://beauproductions.com/marylincoln/biography/geneology.htm.
• NOTE Emilie and Katherine protected, and often changed, ages of women in the family. Emilie’s grandmother commented that a woman’s age was a ‘changeable number," and Emilie heeded her grandmother’s advice on several occasions. Even in census records, Emilie changed her daughters’ ages. To further protect their age, Emilie listed family members by listing all the male children in their order of birth, and then listing the female children in their birth order. Here, when information is available, the lists have been changed from Emilie’s original order to placing the children in their descending order of birth. If information is not available, the lists have been left as Emilie originally wrote them. "

JOHN TODD b. between 1650 1660 in Lanarkshire or Forfar, Angus Scotland d. between 1717 - 1719 in County Armagh, Ireland

John Todd married twice. The name of his first wife has not been found, but together they had six children.

• A. James Todd - b. (?) died in 1757 in Ballymore parish in County Armagh. He married Ellinor (?).
• B. Samuel Todd – b. (1696 - 1698) in Ireland d. 1760 in Augusta County, Virginia. He married Ann Houston.
• C. William Todd b (?) d (1780) He married Jean Lowe and possibly immigrated to Pennsylvania then to Rockbridge County, Virginia.
• D. ROBERT TODD b. 1697 in County Armagh, Ireland - d. April 3, 1775 in Trappe, Montgomery County, ennsylvania. He is also referred to as Robert the Emigrant. Immigrated to Pennsylvania with his brother Andrew in 1737. Married first to Ann Smith in Ireland. They had two sons. He then married Isabella Bodley Hamilton in Ireland. They had nine children.
• E. Elizabeth Todd - b. (?) d. (?) married William Morehead
• F. Esther Todd b. (?) d. (?) married John Sloan.

The child of JOHN TODD and his second wife Rose Cornell was:

• G. Andrew Todd b. (?) in County Armagh, Ireland d. 1791 in Louisa County, Virginia at the home of his son, Dr. Andrew Todd. Married a widow, Mrs. Elizabeth McDowell (b. 1721 d. July 8, 1773)."

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1. John TODD 1 was born estimated 1650 in Ireland. He died about 1718 in Drumgare,Derrynoose,Co. Armagh,Ireland. He was buried in Tynan,Co. Armagh,Ireland.

He had the following children:

2 M i James TODD was born 1 estimated 1680 in Co. Armagh,Ireland. He died 2 about 1757 in Colentrough,Ballymore,Co. Armagh,Ireland. James married Ellinor in Co. Armagh,Ireland. Ellinor was born estimated 1680 in Co. Armagh,Ireland. She died in Co. Armagh,Ireland.

3 M ii Samuel TODD was born estimated 1698 in Co. Armagh,Ireland. He died in 1760 in Louisa County,Virginia. Samuel married Ann HOUSTON.

4 M iii William TODD 1 was born estimated 1685 in Co. Armagh,Ireland. He died in ,Chester County,Pennsylvania. William married Jean LOWE.

+ 5 M iv Robert TODD

6 F v Elizabeth TODD 1 was born estimated 1690 in Co. Armagh,Ireland. Elizabeth married William MOORHEAD in ,Co. Armagh,Ireland. William was born in Co. Armagh,Ireland. He died in Co. Armagh,Ireland.

7 F vi Esther TODD 1 was born estimated 1693 in Co. Armagh,Ireland. Esther married John SLOAN in ,Co. Armagh,Ireland. John was born in Co. Armagh,Ireland. He died in Co. Armagh,Ireland.

John married (2) Rose CORNELL in Co. Armagh,Ireland. Rose was born in Co. Armagh,Ireland. She died in Co. Armagh,Ireland.

They had the following children:

+ 8 M vii Andrew TODD

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rbarry4145/tddg01.htm

• Immigration: Immigrated from Scotland to Atrim, Ireland - 1679
  • Reference: FamilySearch Family Tree - SmartCopy: Aug 23 2017, 1:58:38 UTC
• Reference: MyHeritage Family Trees - SmartCopy: Aug 23 2017, 2:03:28 UTC

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GEDCOM Note

Records not imported into INDI (individual) Gramps ID I0888:d Line 56367: 2 RIN MH:SC7133