Joane Payne

Not the daughter of John Webb & Johanna Webb

John Payne died on 12 Apr 1463 at Frittenden, Kent, England; This is the date of his will; he was about 43.1

Children of John Payne and Joane (?):

1. Edmund Payne (~ 1442-a 1500)
2. Elizabeth Payne (~ 1445-a 1463)
3. Stephen Payne+ (~ 1450-1505). Married 1) a daughter of John Webb of Frittenden 2) Johane

1. [S2] Mary Lovering Holman, "Moses Payne English Ancestry".

Family of John Payne (1420-1463)

John Payn, born 1420 is the earliest profile for which there is confident documentation as of October 17, 2018.

Disproven Line of Descent

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Payne-289

Because no documentation has been found for any of the following ancestors of John Payn , they have been marked as disproven and de-linked from parents, spouses, and children.

1. Thomas I Paine, born 1145, alleged son of Hugh de Paven, supposedly the founder of the knights Templar, and Catherine St Clair. Birth place shown as Market Bosworth, Leicestershire.
2. Thomas Paine II, born 1170. Birth place shown as Market Bosworth, Leicestershire.
3. Thomas Paine III, born 1200. Birth place shown as Market Bosworth, Leicestershire.
4. Thomas Payne IV, born 1245. Birth place shown as Market Bosworth, Leicestershire.
5. Thomas Payne V, born 1285. Birth place shown as Market Bosworth, Leicestershire.
6. Thomas Payne VI, born 1327. Birth place shown as Somerset.
7. William Payne, born 1347, Birthplace shown as Yorkshire.
8. John Payne, born Norwich, Norfolk, 1385

In addition to the lack of any other documentation, the variance of birthplace without explanation from generation to generation is a source of suspicion. In addition, while there was a family of Paynes in Market Bosworth as shown in the Visitations, those shown here preceded by Visitation records by one or more centuries.

References

1. The descendants of John Payn : from England to America. by Payne, Clyde William, 1929- (Publication date 1994). Page 11-12. < Archive.Org >. (To borrow)
2. Clara May (Paine) Ohler, Ancestors and descendants of David Paine and Abigail Shepard of Ludlow, Mass., 1463-1913. Lima, Ohio 1913. p. 11. < Archive.Org >
3. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Payne-289