Lajos Fischl

http://www.barrow-lousada.org/ The appearance of IGNASZ 1845-1917 as the son of IGNASZ 1825-1907 raises questions as to whether the generation time is too small and whether a same-name father-son pair is likely enough. Accordingly we have suggested they were not father and son but that the older Ignasz was the son of Lazar Fischl and the younger Ignasz was the son of Lajos Fischl. Lajos is a Hungarian equivalent of Lazar. In this way we show Lajos 1870-1932 as the grandson of Lajos Fischl 1798-1856, and Laszlo 1860-1922 as the grandson of Lazar 1772-1841.

Online sources suggest that Bela's father Gutmann had a father named Moses not Lajos, that the father of Moses was Lazar Eleazar Fischl b~1772 in Timisoara, and an Ignasz was a brother of Moses Fischl. On the other hand, we point to the probability that Laszlo 1860-1922 was the grandson of Lazar, and hence that Gutmann was the son of Lazar not Moses. We retain the Moses suggested by Scott McDougall as a grandson of Moses bar Baruch aka Moritz Baruh. Moritz is an equivalent of Moses. Perhaps Bela is an echo of Baruch, the father of Moritz Baruh, and the (suggested) unknown brother of Lazar 1772-1841 would have been named Baruch if he was the oldest son.

Lajos b 1798 d 1856 m Baroness Anna Tornyay-Schossberger daughter of Lázár Tornyay-Schossberger by his wife Rosalia Klein, herself daughter of Fülöp Klein and Josephine Singer. Lajos fought in the Hungarian Army, the Honvéd, during the revolution of 1848-49 and was a financier and backer of his friend Lajos Kossuth, leader of the revolution, with whom he was at school. Following the defeat of the Hungarian forces in 1849 Lajos was sentenced to death by the Austrian authorities, later commuted to life imprisonment. He was released in 1855 only to die a few months later.

What is the relationship of Emma who married Gutmann Fischl to Anna who married Lajos Fischl? The de Dirstay tree answers this - Anna was a daughter of Lazar Tornyay-Schossberger and Rosalia Klein, whilst Emma was a grand-daughter of Lazar by his second wife Regina Sachs and son Simon. That is, Emma was a half-niece of Anna. Just as in the later marriage link discussed in note 1, this pair of marriages makes an earlier link between the family branches headed by Lazar 1772-1841 and his unknown brother.