Lieut. William Henry Whiting

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GEDCOM Note

He was conceived around 15th March 1871 a week or so before the marriage of Princess Louise married the Marquis of Lorne on 21 March 1871. There were lots of persons potentially related to him in the Saxe-Coburg family to choose from. He was descended from King Charles I, First cousin of the Duke of Richmond& Duke of Leinster, both Stewarts.

He has confirmed DNA matches from the House of Hesse (likely a grandmother).
He is also is matched to the Romanovs (House of Oldenburg), and Saxe-Coburg And Gotha (House of Wettin).

The problem being these families were so incestuous they are all related to one another.

There is also a Magyar DNAline of descent from Hungary. I have not been able to test the line of the House of Teck in this regard because they are extinct..

he shars he has common features with Prince FRancis of  HIs mother seems to have been friendly with WHs father's family as they all lived at  On both sides his family the Page's and Pithers were quite weaaalthy.ndsor.He became a Leut. Quartermaster, converted to a 

Williaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam Henry Whiting was 5th cousin four times removed. to Queen Victoria of the United Kingdom and Empress of India is your 1
Christodelphianism .buried in Philaaanthropic Road graveyard. Also, James FitzGerald, the 1st Duke of Leinster is your first cousin 6 times James FitzGerald, 1st Duke of Leinster is wife's brother's wife's grandfather.

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BIRTH: William Henry PAGE Births: March 1872 District: Windsor, Berkshire Volume: 2c 442

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BIRTH CERTIFICATE: 20 Dec 1871 Union Workhouse, Old Windsor, Berks - Surname PAGE (using his grandmother's maiden name} Also

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CHRISTENING: All Saints, New Windsor, P128/1021 ~Willliam Henry PITHER to Julia PITHER, single women of Love Lane, Windsor, Berks. aged 5 [First name change from Page to Pither at this event] ~Elizabeth Julia Pither to Julia Pither, single women of Love Lane, Windsor, Berks. Aged 2

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Mother's marriage to his Stepfather DP 149B 1/1 p39 No.77 Julia Elizabeth Pither spouse is described as a spinster, father Thomas Frederick Pither as Coach Painter. Frederick Thomas Whiting Batchelor Printers Labourer, fathers James Whiting as Gardener, witnesses; Joseph Crapp [poss. parish clerk] and Mary Elizabeth Page. [Second name change from Pither to Whiting]

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Sister Elizabeth Julia died in 1883 at 3 Brook Street, Windsor at school. local press reports.
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He was descended from Masimon Mimodanides

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CENSUS 1891 - ref: RG12/566, folio 101, page 38 Living at Frimley, Farnham. Ist Battalion the Queens Royal West Surrey Regiment. William Henry WHITING, 18, male, Soldier, born Windsor, BKS Also, born Windsor, berks Thomas Smith 20 Mark Green 27 Corp. William Carter 18 private William Edward Baker 19 Corpl.

1871 census at 15 Church Street, New Windsor Fanny Rockall Wid. 65 none b. Nuffield, Oxon Walter Rockall son 20 Compositor Printer Wm Ed. Baker g/son 9 scholar [born. Sept 1871 Windsor 2c 412] Helen Petty g/dau 5 scholar ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

My grandfather had been an Anglican and attended Holy Trinity. Church on London Road Redhill. Sometime before 1910 my grandfather attended a religious meeting at the Market Hall Redhill. Thereupon he joined the Christadelphians. Who believed the British etc were the Lost Tribes of Isreal. They believed the world was about to end and did not believe they should contribute towards the corrupt State other than pay taxes. They were conscientious objectors and did not vote. They believed, God was sufficient to their needs alone.

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CENSUS 1911 - ref: RG37/2, page 62 Residence: 65 Frenches Road Redhill, Surrey (5 rooms)

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William Henry WHITING Head 38 M Windsor, Berks (Army pensioner) Labourer in Motor works (worker) Sarah WHITING Wife 36 M Hertford, Herts Florence WHITING daughter 11 Redhill, Surrey Ada WHITING daughter 9 Redhill, Surrey Winifred WHITING daughter 7 Redhill, Surrey Edith WHITING daughter 4 Redhill, Surrey Robert WHITING Son 2 Redhill, Surrey Everln WHITING daughter 7month Redhill, Surrey
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Married for 7 yrs Children born alive 7 Children still living 6 Children died 1
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2 Males / 6 Females / 8 Persons
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In the 1930s, my grandmother said a lady arrived at Copseway, Lonesome Lane in a Taxi from Redstone Station. That is more than 60 years

after my grandfather was born. She asked him if he needed any financial help. In the typical Christodelphian way he refused to take any help.

The term Lady is confusing as it could mean woman, but because this was out of the blue it seems most likely it was his relative or a representative of.

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W H Whiting on the 1939 Register Whiting Household (2 People) @ Copseway Lonesome Lane, Reigate M.B., Surrey, England FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB OCCUPATION W H Whiting 20 Dec 1871 Sheet Iron Worker Sarah Whiting 13 Dec 1876 Unpaid Domestic Duties

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England & Wales DEATHS 1837-2007 Transcription WILLIAM H WHITING Male Birth 1871 Died Age 76 Death quarter: 1, year 1947 Dist. Surrey South Eastern, Surrey, England. Vol. 5G, Page 1030

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Surrey Mirror 06 February 1948, p1, col. 1 DEATHS WHITING.- In ever Loving Memory of a Dearly Loved Husband and Father, William Henry Whiting, who passed away February 1st 1947. - Remembered always by his Wife and Children

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BIOGRAPHY:

    He was born as William Henry Page in Windsor Workhouse and lived at 3, Brook Street Windsor. He was baptised as William Henry Pither and registered as PAGE. in 1877 and grew up in 9 Love Lane, Windsor as William Henry Whiting. His grandfather was Thomas Frederick Pither who had his Coach Painting business in Reading. He would play in the grounds of Windsor Castle and his uncle was 2nd Coachman to Queen Victoria (? brother-in-law). An honorary position held by persons connected with the racing fraternity; involving the riding as a postillion on the royal carriage at events such as Ascot. At the age of 16/7 [below age], he ran away and joined the Army as a private soldier with his friend William Edwards Baker. In the Royal West Surrey Regt. 

He saw action in India between Circa 1895 until 1898 where he received campaign medals 1897-8 Tirah and Punjab Frontier 1897-8.

    Also, he had a Total Abstinence Medal  INDIA from TA Association formed 1862. He was also an Interpreter and worked on famine relief, during this period he heard that a Muslim Holyman had declared to be the Promised Messiah and was impressed by this in later life. [1st 13th Reg. West Surrey]

    Earlier on army leave he was walking along the banks of the Thames near Windsor and saw a woman in distress in the river and saved her life. He did not wish to be recognised as having connections with the court and left the scene quickly. For months afterwards the Lady advertised in the papers to reward her saviour but he never revealed himself. He left India in 1898 to resume civil life, being discharged from Caterham Barracks, Surrey.

After marriage in Redhill, he was called up for duty in South Africa in 1900. In South Africa, he served as an NCO although he was repeatedly encouraged to take up a Commission. 1901 he served at Lang's Nek, Transvaal, Orange FreeState, Tugela Heights and the relief of Ladysmith as Corporal W H Whiting RL: WT West Surrey Regt. no. 2982. At the latter, he was mentioned in dispatches and served as a Field Lieutenant, but received an injury to his hearing and was pensioned off. During his service he took a great interest in wildlife collecting snake skins by catching them; also butterflies and local African shields, spears and the like. Left as Sergeant. [His full Army records were lost or not attainable].

    Upon return to Civil Life, he settled in [rented accommodation] in Cromwell Road, Redhill. Through his family business connections, he found work with Chalmers of Redhill who built the first buses to run between Redhill and Irrigate. He worked as a panel beater. Although he had a desire to buy a Garage in Hooley and start his own full-time business. He did some business on the side as well.

    The Memory of meeting a preacher in India talking about a second Messiah in the mid-1890s came to the forefront. He went to a meeting of the Christadelphians in the red brick Market Hall in Redhill. There he realised that Jesus had died on the Cross, and as God cannot die, Jesus must be a man and not God. Christadelphians believe that the world is corrupt and they must separate from it. They only pay taxes required, are conscientious objectors, and will not vote... 

    He then around this time he moved to 61, 63 or 65, Frenches Road, Redhill where he purchased two houses circa 1916, one to live in and one to rent.  He was a cousin of queen Victoria

    Then in 1914, he was required by the War office to return to the Army to train troops for the 1st World War. He refused and cancelled his army pension having become a Christadelphian pacifist millennial movement. 

    He retired to 'Copseway' in Lonesome Way, Reigate to run a smallholding, where he died in 1946 after feeling faint after riding a bicycle from Redhill home aged approximately 73.

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His life was meddled with by the Palace and he ran away into the Army to getaway. He complained of very wealthy people turning up in cars trying to offer him money and grace and favour jobs. By this time he was a Christadelphian, a conscious objector and an ascetic. He believed the world was sinful and set himself apart (not voting, or even paying taxes if he could).