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Lorenzo "Dyke" Ramseyer

Birthdate:
Birthplace: Salt Lake City, Utah, United States
Death: July 18, 1956 (56)
Immediate Family:

Son of Achilles Adolph Ramseyer and Marie (Mary) Ramseyer
Husband of Jessie Mae Ramseyer
Father of Anna Lee Olgin; Anna Lois Sponheim and Private
Brother of Ida Ramseyer; David Ramseyer; Esther Johnson; Herman Ramseyer; Martha and 1 other

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About Lorenzo "Dyke" Ramseyer

Also known by family nickname of "Weinz".

From notes written by Lorenzo:

Lorenzo Dyke Ramseyer’s Prologue

This Journey through life Epilogue

(1 through 3)

First of all we are indebted to our parents for our caste (or lack of it). Who know what we would have entered into this would with unless weighing what our parents were and gave us?.

Mine was the best recommendation any person could have.

True, I was not born Black as some have had the misfortune to be. Theirs, however, could parallel mine regardless of color, of which I have not the heart to condemn.

I came from parents whose souls were steeped in love and devotion and a love of like “a kind of feeling

That they should carve their own according to their desire and hopes.

In a little Swiss Hamlet which exists to this day, my Father was born, Chaux de Fonde, France.

This village as anyone who would take the trouble to see is near the French Border.

My Mother, also Swiss was born in Bern.

(4-8 missing)

9.----including the Chinese and spent 10 years of his life translating the bible from the original Hebrew writings. This, he did while I was a small child, and I remember vividly how he would arise at 5 am. And get all his reference books out and work at translating until it came time for him to go to work.

10. As a passing thought—I remember on occasions that he told the whole family how the King James translation was entirely erroneous—as pertained to a certain passage in the bible. His face would be aglow with an expression I have never seen on a human’s face before or since. My Father was an extremely sincere man—He neither drank nor smoked and did not curse—and his---------------------

11. Relations with my Mother was such that if he were 5 minutes late in coming from work, she worried terribly.

I might add at this point that when my father died in 1924, my wife and I tried to get my Mother to live with us in Long beach. She lived in Salt Lake City, Utah.

Her answer always was “My man is buried here in Salt Lake and

12. my place is here to be with him as I feel that he is still here with me and guiding me as he did when I was a young girl and when he and I fled Europe to go to a country where we could live without prejudice and ancient forms that tried to hold people together only as puppets or on a mechanical means.”–

This now brings us to the reason my parents left Europe.

13. About 1885—My Father and Mother were going together and Father

was 18—Mother was 17.

It was quite the vogue in those days, as it is now for the younger set to go to dances and places of entertaining.

My Father, coming of wealthy parents could well afford a dance, a dinner, wine and Champaign for his

14. Lady love. And that is what they enjoyed. However, my father’s mother finding out that he went with a girl coming from a poor family, forbade such on penalty of losing his allowance. – This woman recovered? without love. – as Father continued to see his girl Marie. However it was with the greatest of discretion as far

15. as his Mother was concerned. They both were very much in love and rebelled at the “crime” of wealth that threatened to keep them apart. They met frequently—and when missionaries from the USA representing the Mormon Church—appeared in town—willing to tell the inhabitants of a wonderful religion

16. and a wonderful country where all could worship as they pleased—who could blame them when they heard this and became enamored of living free from fears of ancient prejudices?

My Father and Mother became believers and plotted to leave their country, join this organization and came to America.

17. As a humorous aspect of my father’s personality, let me say that he admitted that he questioned the envoys of America 1st. Are there any Buffalo left in America and can you still shoot Indians?

(As a (corollary) Of this-may I state that the killing of Indians was forever denied my Father—but was not alien to my

18. Mother—as she lived in St. George, Utah during the “Black Hawk” uprising of Indians and she saw massacres of whites while residing there--Father was still in France pursuing his medical studies).

My Father was a graduate of the Academy of Medicine in Paris and also of the Beaux Arts.

19 – In other words, he pursued the science of medicine and the arts. We have to this day paintings he made while still in Paris and his ladylove in America.

Early in 1886, he connived with and bribed certain officials, namely, to get Marie Hoffman a passport—and paid passage for her to America. His allowance was not sufficient to enable her to go 1st class. She went stearage. ?

20. At the border they suddenly encountered officials that tried to prevent her from leaving—This narrative will explain in detail how the two lovers foiled such effort on part of the officials—and how Marie Hoffman sailed from “Le Havre” France” – and left a world so bogged down with rituals and Babbitt that a young person had to rebel in order to live the life that they

21. felt suited them.

After Mother’s departure, Father stayed dutifully with his study of medicine and got his allowance from his Mother only to send the major part to Mother whom he had not yet married, in America. He finally completed his studies, got his doctor’s degree, and after a session with his mother, from which he emerged being disowned, he sailed for America joined my Mother, got married in the Salt Lake Temple

22. and became the father of which I am the proudest mortal to acknowledge as the (peer/friend?) of any Father.

1. Marie & Adolph –

a. School days

b. Prejudice of parents

c. Resent of both

d. Resolution of love

2. The Missionaries

a. The picture

b. Innocents of youth

c. The whole picture

3. The Plotting

a. America

c. Blessing of Hoffman family

d. Curse of Ramseyer Family

e. Crib of 2 brothers (embezzlement of funds)

3. The departure of Marie

a. France

b. The vessel

c. Authorities

d. Bribe - & reason for stearage passage

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4. Adventures of Marie on the high seas

a. Sea-Sickness

b. Episode of the partridge

c. Captain’s advance and remorse

d. Landing at New York

5. Journey to Utah

a. Reception at N.Y.

b. Train travel

c. Arrival of Salt Lake

d. (unmarried female?)

6. St. George, Utah

a. Refusal of Marie

b. Nagli-wealthy rancher

c. Pull with church

d. Arrival of Nagli Ranch (St. George)

7. Indian trouble

a. Wine episode

b. Bud shin Mts.

c. Rough elements

d. Reprieve to Salt Lake

8. Arrival of Adolph -

a. Interaction in Salt Lake

b. Departure for Paris Idaho

c. Farming & doctoring

9. Perris, Idaho

a. Polygamy

b. Tempting of Adolph

c. Practicing of Marie

d. Episode of neighborhood farms

e. Massacre of an elder

10. Salt Lake City

a. Young surgeon

b. Physician’s life

c. The miner

d. The Operation

11. The Pronouncement

a. Adolph’s change

b. Medical Association

c. Adolph’s naivety and renouncement of Med. Assoc.

d. Adolph-s decision to quit practice

12. Business instead of professions

a. College profession of languages

b. Success

c. Pranks of students

d. Adolph’s failure (students bating)

e. Resignation from university

13. Immigration service

a. Teaching immigrants

b. church historian

14. The falling out

a. Schumann-Heink (Opera singer)

b. Canto lope (smallpox at home)

c Adolph’s decision

d. Father again

1914 – Canyon life – (Note: Dad must have been around 14 years old here, as he was born in 1900. – My Mother was born in 1905).

a. Father & Son

b. Youth vs. inefficiencies

c. Rattlesnake episode

(Canyon life -Note from Anna Lee: I remember my Dad helped his dad construct a cabin in the canyon away from Salt Lake City. When I was there with Dad, he pointed out how his Dad, Adolph, liked the overhand 2X4’s to be flat and Dad argued with him about the 2X4’s should be on edge instead. When Loie & I were kids, we visited the cabin in the canyon with Grandmother Marie. She played the guitar and sang “Hi Lee, Hi Lo” for us twins while sitting by the fireside.)

1924 – Adolph’s health

a. Refusal to be quoted

an

b. illness

1924 - Adolph’s death

a. Funeral

b. Heritage

My Religion

First no one else can belong except by “breaking thru the barrier –to belong to any religion.—Well I don’t know of any religion on earth that people didn’t have to break through the barriers to join—To name a few—The Christians in the Renaissance (The Lutherans in the early German history of religion, and many more—But any well read person knows that we had ---party am of the greatest barriers and of not to remote a time—namely in the 19th Century—And some 50 years after we have won our independence on the plea of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. There were some very nice leaders in the colonies at that time who from experience knew that this proclamation, i.e., life, liberty and the pursue of happiness was mainly in the preamble of the Constitution and like many a man who had been buried with fire (so as to speak) namely that’s what is written telling what the instrument inside is—knew (and thank god that we had our leaders who insisted concretely what this Constitution meant in the 1st 10 Amendments of both of Bill of Rights) and I am speaking of religious persons, as well as others; that such a promise could well prove to be a delusion and a snare, but when consistently put in the first ten amendments—The right to belong to any church or denomination or worshiping god and/or fear him was a personal exemption from tyranny as long as the Bill of Rights prevailed. Will there has been much serous talk among some people or organizations why they advocated doing --with the ten amendments, especially some; namely, the 5th Amendment. I used to watch Senator McCarthy sneeringly tab a Communist or an -----comment, or one who probably had some enemies and he was tuned into McCarthy to examine. Examine is hardly the way—The poor lad before McCarthy might or might not have been examined, but, were living a family shared nation.?? When you have rats or mice, you exterminate them the best you know how—But why should we ------oneself in the process. Of course any student of elementary history knows that mob violence of men catering to the mob to satisfy their extensive ego—history is full. I have my head at the McCarthy fiasco. He couldn’t take away our 5th Amendment because there were too many scholarly and knowing people who would have stepped in at the last moment to block him—But—the men voted actively to do away with the 5th Amendment—Needless to say anyone familiar with history knows that the 5th Amendment was really conceived in England and made a part of the Magna Charta.

I have gone briefly into the Bill of Rights (which by the way to immigrants and newly naturalized people is tantamount to religion. And to most of us Americans—It seems to be a football—to be kicked here and there its surface scratched and worn by the onslaught before it. I say most of us Americans take things for granted. We have liberty that no other nation of my knowledge possesses—Yet we take it for granted and hang it on the wall.. It has become so ----to most of us and -----that many of us would like ---- new and glamorous like the new 300 ----and that are higher structure but low on safety.

Ignoring the Bill of Rights as per religion.

We now go back to our religious discussion. As I brought out in the early days of religion, you paid frequently with your life to belong to anything but the accepted religion. When the Christians who believed in Christ and pulled aside the driven customer to see that outside of the authority of church of that day—there was really sunlight—where they had taught but.

These people then began to join Christian organizations and churches in secret, but many were found out and had to fight a with a usually a lion from the h

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Lorenzo "Dyke" Ramseyer's Timeline

1899
December 2, 1899
Salt Lake City, Utah, United States
1925
February 4, 1925
Long Beach, Ca
1956
July 18, 1956
Age 56