Manassès II, count of Rethel

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manasses_II,_Count_of_Rethel [draft]

He was the father of Manasses III, who succeeded him,
and perhaps Doda,[2] the wife of Godfrey III, Duke of Lower Lorraine. /!\ {other presumed parents}

 [2]  Murray, Alan V. (2000). Settipani, Christian; Keats-Rohan, K.S.B. (eds.). The Crusader Kingdom of Jerusalem: A Dynastic History 1099-1125. Occasional Publication of the Linacre Unit for Prosopographical Research Vol. 4. Oxford: Linacre College. pp. 173–174. ISBN 1-900934-03-5.

-https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/champorret.htm#ManassesIRethelMOrdela

i) MANASSES [II] ([942/60]-[29 Mar] after 1026). [His parentage is confirmed by the Chronicon Maceriense which records in 1020 that "Hermanus Grandipratensis cum Manasse Registensi" had a dispute because "Manasses filius Manasses et Ordele" claimed the right to "castrum Julie et in Dulcomensem comitatum" as the son of "Ordela mater nata…ex Guarino et Gilla Marci Dulcomensis filia"[313], although as noted above this source should be treated with extreme caution.] Comte de Rethel. The necrology of Reims Saint-Rémi records the death "IV Kal Apr" of "Manasses comes"[314].]

m DADA, daughter of --- (-5 Oct ---). "Raimbertus Virdunice civitatis pastor" confirmed the donation of property "ecclesiam de Bedrui…et ad Clarisellum…et ad Lauannam…et…ad Nouam villam…[et] Ampliuium" to Verdun Sainte-Vanne by "domina Dada comitissa uxor Manasse comitis de Reitest" at the request of "Richardi sancti Vitoni confessoris Christi", and for the love of "loci et predicti abbatis Richardi comite Odone in cuius comitatu sita sunt", by charter dated 1026[315]. Assuming that the dates relating to the wife of Manassès [III] are correct as shown below, the date of this charter appears too early for Dada to have been the first wife of Manassès [III]. It is more likely therefore that she was the wife of Manassès [II], no reference to whom has yet been found in other sources. The identification of "comite Odone" has not yet been established with certainty. The location of the properties in his county suggests that he may have been closely related to Dada, maybe her father or brother. The death of Eudes II Comte de Blois is recorded in the necrology of Verdun Saint-Vanne, although the location of the named properties has not been established to confirm whether they may have been within his counties. If "comite Odone" was the comte de Blois, it would be chronologically consistent for Dada to have been his sister. The necrology of Verdun Saint-Vanne records the death "III Non Oct" of "Dada comitissa qui dedit nobis ecclesiam de Bedrui…"[316].

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* 1. MANASSES [III] (-1081 or after). Assuming that the chronology of the earlier members of the Rethel family is correctly shown above, it appears unlikely that Manassès [III] was the son of Manassès [II]. It is more likely that there was an intervening generation, about which no information has been uncovered in the primary sources so far consulted.