Margery de Lisle

Biography

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Lisle-16

Richardson, in his Magna Carta Ancestry, describes Margery's exact parentage only as probable, at least in one place (in the Oddingseles descent).[1] In his newer publication Royal Ancestry he does not register any such doubts.[2]

One clear secondary source is The History and Antiquities of the Seigniory of Holderness Volume 1, by George Poulson (1840). On page 266 in the pedigree of St. Quintin, she is described:"Margery, daughter and co-heir of Warren d'Insula, Lord L'Isle, widow of Sir Thomas Berkeley, after married to Sir Roger Hulse, who died s.p. 35 Edward III. She also died the same year.-Inq. P.M. vol.2, p.233."[3] That would mean 1361 or 1362.

In the narrative on the next page, a similar description is given although it seems to contain errors, replacing Warren for Warwick, and adds a generation repeating the words "Margery daughter and co-heir" (making Margery the daughter of a Margery who was daughter of Warwick).[4]

The inquisition post mortem exists for Roger Husee, and confirms that he held lands jointly with his wife Margery, which were all by gift from Warin de Insula, and Edmund de Chelrye. These include tenements in Est Grenstede and Worthe in Sussex, the manor of Morton in Dorset, and lands in Brudemer, Wiltshire. Roger died September 35 Edward III (1361) and Roger and Margery had no heir from Roger's body. (Most of the counties reported that he died on the 1st day of that month.)[5] Margery's IPM is next in the modern edition. these mention her "first" husband Herbert de Sancto Quintino, and that Herbert and Margery had surviving heirs, Elizabeth (aged 20 years according to one IPM, 18 and more according to another, married to John de Marmyon, knight) and Lora (18 and more years according to one IPM, 17 and more according to another, married to Robert de Grey). Margery died "Friday before Whitsunday last" according to one IPM, and 21 May according to another.[6]

This profile at RootsWeb.com cites Complete Peerage and says that:

He [Roger Husee] m. before 13 Feb 1350/1, Margery, widow of Herbert de St. Quentin, of Brandesburton and Mappleton, co. York, Stanton St. Quintin, Wilts, &c. She d. 21 May 1361. He d. s.p., 1 Sep 1361, when any hereditary barony which may be supposed to have been created by the writ of 1348 became extinct. [Complete Peerage VII:12-14]

NOTE: CP doesn't identify Margery, but several posts on SGM state the wife of Herbert was Margery de Lisle.

Douglas Richardson posted on the Medieval Genealogy list that Bridget Wells-Furby wrote to him that "Margery, wife of Sir Herbert de St Quinton (d.1347) and Roger Husee (d. 1361)"...

"is said to have been a daughter of Warin de Lisle (d. 1322) and Alice Tyeys? I have some circumstantial evidence that they may have been kinsfolk (St Quinton and his son, Herbert, who evidently died without issue v.p., campaigned with Gerard de Lisle in 1346-7, the elder witnessed two important Lisle family charters in January 1346, and in 1353 Gerard was a feoffee for the settlement of Husee manors on Husee and his wife Margery)."[7]

The IPM editions from these times show more connections between people with these various surnames.

The question of Margery's ancestry is possibly connected to the question of the first husband mentioned by Poulson, Thomas Berkeley. It appears that this is wrong, but also a confusion found in older pedigrees. As mentioned above, one of the IPMs for Margery stated that the witnesses believed Herbert had been her first husband. Doug Richardson in Magna Carta ancestry accepts that "Margaret", daughter of Warren Lord Lisle and his wife Alice Tyas. One of the Lisle pedigrees he cites seems to have confirmed that this Margaret then married Herbert St Quintin. Richardson says that Margaret and Thomas Berkeley had a daughter named Elizabeth. She married Richard Beauchamp.[8]

However, in another descent, Richardson describes this Margaret (mother of Elizabeth Berkeley) as the daughter of another Warin Lisle and Margaret Pipard, as does Wikitree. This Warin is the grandson of the other one, who married Alice Tyas.