Immediate Family
About Marjorie
Seen as daughter of David (Dunkeld) Eighth Earl of Huntingdon. Seen as daughter of Sir John de Crauford, Lord of Crawford
Family
Paul, James Balfour. "The Scots Peerage : Vol. III, p.6 < Archive.Org >
Sir David Lindsay Lord of Luffness, died about 1214. He was the son of William Lindsay and Eleanor Limesi.[1]
He married Marjorie, a member of the reigning house of Scotland. They had issue:
- David[1]
- Gerard[1]
- Walter, m. Christian Huse[1]
- William, d.s.p.[1]
- Alicia[1]
Disputed origins
Maven B. Helms 5/28/2018 at 8:44 PM
We have a bit of a puzzle with her, since it appears that Crawford was actually David de Lindsay's by right. It is through her, whoever she was, that Robert Pinkeney traced his claim to the Scottish throne. This has usually been interpreted as meaning that she was an illegitimate daughter of the House of Dunkeld, but an interesting alternate suggestion has recently surfaced - that she was the *legitimate* daughter of Margaret of Scotland (daughter of Henry of Huntington) by Margaret's third/final husband, William FitzPatrick de Hertburn/de Wessington [Washington]. This makes perfect total sense of Pinkeney's claim in the name of "Margaret, daughter of Henry father of king William" - since that is exactly who the Dowager Countess of Richmond and Hereford *was*. It also means that Pinkeney had a better claim than most people thought (but he didn't have the political clout to back it).
http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm#Margaretdied1201
The official description of his descent by Robert de Pinkeney in the 1290s was: "Ex...Hen[ici]' patre Regis Will[ielm]i simila genuit quedam Margareta, ex qua Margareta Alicia, et ex ea Henricus de Pinkeny, a quo Henr[ici] Rob[ertu]s de Pinkeny,...", https://archive.org/stream/documentsandrec00britgoog#page/n56/mode/2up making it quite explicit that he was basing his claim to the Scottish Crown on a Margaret who was the daughter of Henry of Huntingdon, son of King David I and father of King WIlliam the Lion. The description fits Henry's second legitimate daughter, Margaret Dowager Countess of Richmond and Hereford - but there appears to be a generation missing, probably between Margaret and Alice [de Lindsay].
The traditional interpretation assumes that Pinkeney was either faking it or was confused about who had fathered his great-grandmother, with David 8th Earl of Huntingdon chief among the suspects in some extracurricular hanky-panky.
A minority opinion, recently, is that he was spot-on accurate, but either he, or a scribe at some time between the original court session and the oldest surviving copy, accidentally left something out that would have clarified the detail that the claim was through Marjory daughter of Margaret and mother of Alice. This would put the Dowager Countess back in the running and tilt the balance of "who was her third husband?" in favor of the Border lord William de Hertburn/Wessington.
Sir William de Lindsay is the son of Sir William de Lindesay and Aleanora de Limesay.1,2
The name of his wife is not known.
Children of Sir William de Lindsay included:
- William de Lindsay+1
- unknown de Lindsay1
References
- The Scots Peerage: Founded on Wood's Edition of Sir Robert Douglas ..., Volume 3 edited by James Balfour Paul. Page 6. < GoogleBooks >
- http://www.thepeerage.com/p23116.htm#i231151 cites
- [S37] Volume 1, page 951. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S37] [S37] See. [S37]
Marjorie's Timeline
1185 |
1185
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East Lothian, Scotland
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1200
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1203
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1241 |
1241
Age 56
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Crawford, Lanarkshire, Scotland
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