Marthinus Lourens Prinsloo, (e6)

Geslagsregisters van ou Kaapse Families Volume I A-M ISBN 7100 2009 0 Fourth Impression. 1970 and Volume II M-Z ISBN 0 86961 136 4. 1981.

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b2c3d6 Joachim Johannes (PRINSLOO), ≈ 13.10.1754, burger Swellendam, x 11.11.1781 Elisabeth Johanna ERASMUS

e1 Joachim Johannes ≈ 30.3.1783

e2 Maria Elisabeth ≈ 25.12.1784, x Jacob Abraham ERASMUS

e3 Petrus Johannes ≈ 22.7.1787

e4 Willem ≈ 16.4.1789

e5 Hendrik Petrus ≈ 13.11.1791

e6 Marthinus Lourens ≈ 10.2.1793

e7 Willem Petrus ≈ 1.1.1797

e8 Daniel Jacobus ≈ 16.9.1798

e9 Martha Louisa ≈ 18.11.1801

e10 Barend Nicolaas ≈ 21.5.1804

e11 Nicolaas ≈ 2.10.1809

NOTE:- b2 Nicolaas is shown as b3 on Geni.com due to the addition of Aeltie PRINSLOO as b2 on the Geni.com tree.

Added by Y. DROST, 3 JUN 2015

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DISCUSSION REGARDING MARTHINUS LOURENS JOHANNES BORN 1832'S PARENTAGE

Jan Marthinus Blomerus, b2....h1 8th cousin 28 Mei 2015 om 6:07 nm.

Hi there Y Drost,

This is my public profile, so I am in a conflict on what to say. Would prefer if we can make this a discussion on the profile mentioned or else if we do pm.

But yes, I do not have solid proof for that link as you may be well aware.

According to SAG v8 p 486, Marthinus Lourens in all probability was part of the Great Trek. For me that entails that some of the birth records would not exist. (And here, I do not prefer the approach of a small minority to leave gaps on Geni.) A common search of the specific Marthinus Lourens name would yield that there were no other Prinsloos born earlier (and a valid parent, except e6) with those names in SAG, while on the Van der Merwe side those names are also not found.

Furthermore, e6's children end with f8 born 1829/30 in SAG, so in all likelihood your ancestor was born during the Great Trek to these parents.

Lastly, to pass on the name of the father in traditional sense, you have had to have 3 sons. This would indeed be the case here.

Finally, the grandfather had no other sons which could have fathered a son born 1832.

I am happy (in the sense that I have no regrets!) if you unlink to these parents regardless of the above, however, there are no stronger candidates in my opinion and for the time being.

Regards Jan

I replied vandag om 12:00 vm 4 JUN 2015

Hello Jan, I agree that my MLJ PRINSLOO born 1832 was in all probability b2 or b3 (depending on source used)c3d6e6's son, but I have a number of issues which I am focusing on at the moment which arose from linking my tree with that of MLJ's other two sons using the genview tree.

1. I have no first hand source for my MLJ PRINSLOO's birth date. The 1832 date comes from the genview website and the MyPeoplePuzzle.net website. Their sources are not known. From his marriage date of 29 OCT 1853 (also from the MyPeoplePuzzle.net website), as well as the calculated birth date of the oldest son (also MLJ) of 1854 (from his death notice TAB/MHG/LEER/0/01/7717/1 of 1905) and assuming he was 16 years of age when married, I can calculate his latest birth year as 1838.

2. I also have a problem when comparing the birth dates of the three sons. The first two are close together in the 1850's, but the last son, my Willem Jacobus was born in 1873. Thus there is almost a twenty year gap.

I have ordered and await the book "Voortrekkerstamouers" by J. C. VISAGIE which I hope will assist in determining my MLJ PRINSLOO's father with more certainty. Given that the documents indicate that the oldest son was born in the Transvaal according to his DN and his age, I have also concluded that he was part of the Great Trek. My plan is to see which PRINSLOO trekked with which leader as where they settled should correspond with my PRINSLOO's.

I think we need to unlink them for now, which will avoid someone else who is unfamiliar with the background using the link for a fact, but that a note be placed in the About Me section of both profiles stating that the link is the most obvious, but remains as yet unproven. I am not a Geni Pro user, therefor, I cannot unlink them, thus may I please ask you to do so? I will also place our discussions on the profiles so others may see them so that everyone is informed of our research.

Kindest regards, Y. DROST

GEDCOM Note

Marthinus Lourens ≈ 10.2.1793, maak waarskynlik Groot Trek mee x Graaff-Reinet 5.7.1813 Sophia Geertruyda Johanna VAN DER MERWE ≈ 16.9.1792

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Voortrekkerstamouers 1835 - 1845 deur Jan C. VISAGIE (Afrikaans). Protea Uitgewers, Pretoria, 2011. Tweede uitgawe, derde druk 2011. ISBN 978-1-86919-372-0

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PRINSLOO, Marthinus Lourens - b3c3d6e6 gedoop 10/2/1793 X Graaff-Reinet 5/7/1813 Sophia Geertruida Johanna VAN DER MERWE b2c10d4e5f1 gedoop 16/9/1792.

Woonplek: Oos-Rietrivier, Somerset (1825).

Vertrekdatum: Waarskynlik reeds in 1840 in Natal, maar hulle insluiting hier berus slegs op die gegewe dat hul seuns wel verhuis het.

Trekgeselskap: Onbekend.

Bygevoeg deur Y. DROST op 31 OKT 2022

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