Mary Warne

Not the daughter of Capt. Robert Lord.

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Disputed Origins

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Lord-2063

Mary Lord is featured prominently in the published genealogies of the Lord family[1] and the Warne family.[2] Both publications assert that Mary was born 13 July 1668, in Cambridge, Massachusetts, to parents Robert Lord and Rebecca (Phillips) Lord, but they provide no source reference. These publications also assert that Rebecca's last name at birth was Stanley, which has since been convincingly disproven.[3] It is likely that they relied on information from the genealogy of the family of her first husband, Thomas Carhart.[4] No such birth is recorded in vital records or church records of Cambridge or Charlestown.

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• Wife of Thomas Carhart — married 22 Nov 1691 in Richmond County, New York ]
• Wife of Thomas Warne — married about 1698 in New Jersey

Mary and the Colonel had the following children:

Stephen Warne b. About 1700 (our line)

Thomas Warne b. 1702

Samuel Warne b. 1703/4

Joshua Warne b. 23 Dec 1706

Sarah Warne b. 27 Aug 1711

George Warne b. 23 Apr 1713

Her first marriage was to Thomas Carhart on 22 Nov 1691 in Cambridge, Middlesex, Massachusetts. One site claims that this marriage took place in Rye, New York, subsequent home of her fellow Quaker and descendant Amy Barton. Their children were:

John Carhart b. 1692 in Staten Island, Richmond Co, New York

Robert Carhart b. 1693 in Staten Island, Richmond Co, New York

William Carhart b. About 1695 in Staten Island, Richmond Co, New York

Daniel Carhart (missing from some)

So she was the mother of 10! I wonder if her second husband was a good stepfather to her first 4.

The Weiler-Ebersole Family Tree has her birth in Cambridge, Norfolk Co., Massachusetts. I once thought she had emigrated from Englnd, but apparently not.

There are several Lords who could have been her father. Many sites claim her parents were Robert Lord and Rebecca Stanley. But the chronology is tight. Their 2nd child was born in 1653, if Mary is theirs she was the 4th and born 15 years later. Possible.

Thomas Carhart was born about 1650 in Cornwall, England and died on 16 Mar 1696 in Woodbridge, Middlesex, New Jersey.

Not our line, but interesting, possibly Mary's son Samuel:

Run away from Samuel WARNE, of the Township of Middle-Town, in the County of Monmouth, in the Province of New-Jersey; an Irish Servant Man nam'd Thomas LOWRY, a Shoe-maker by Trade, of

 a Short stature, Black Hair, dark Complection, Cloath-ed with a Gray Coat, a Black Vest, a Brown Pair of  Breeches, Two Pair of Stockings, the one Yarn, the other Worsted, a Round Toe'd Pair of double Sole'd Shoes, a Felt Hat, and commonly wears it all Round,

without Cocking; he is Aged about Twenty three Years; Whosoever takes up the said Servant, or secures him, so that the said Samuel WARNE may have him again, shall have Thirty Shillings Reward, and Reasonable Charges, Paid by, Samuel WARNE.
--- The American Weekly Mercury, March 20--27, 1729.
Here is something about the place where Mary and Thomas are buried:

The Ancient History of Topanemus

By Mary Evans

Topanemus is not only the name of the Lake but the name of an Indian village that existed prior to 1684 and a Quaker church and burial ground that existed in the late 18th century.

The name Topanemus is an Indian name meaning "An elk drinking from a brook that flows from a spring." Today, the only remaining identification with the name is in the name of the Lake, the name of the road in Marlboro about a mile up Robertsville Road and the name of the ancient burial ground hidden behind a housing development off Topanemus Road.

But what was the village like. It was a place with clear spring water and a little hill which would have attracted the Indians because of the accessibility of water and the probable excellent hunting.

In Scotland and England the Quakers had been abused by the Stuart kings and the Church of England and migrated to the New World in hopes of attaining religious freedom. New Amsterdam (New York) where they arrived was definitely no better and they were forced to leave there. Their second move brought these persecuted people to Perth Amboy in East Jersey about 1682. Again, these people headed by George Scott were not greeted well. An early Quaker John Reid, the first Surveyor-General of East Jersey who was living in Perth Amboy advised the Quaker group to go a few miles inland where there was a settlement to which Reid had sent others, that would welcome them. To the Scotch and English Quakers who were persecuted wherever they went it, was a place where they could live in peace.

From this settlement came a number of influential and powerful men. George Keith of Aberdeen, Scotland who joined the Quakers as a young man arrived in America in 1684 after being appointed a Surveyor-General for East Jersey. He surveyed the line between East and West Jersey, the famous "Keith line." The line ran from Little Egg Harbor in the southeast to the Delaware Water Gap and the New York line. This survey line divided the jurisdiction of Jersey into 2 entities: East Jersey and West Jersey, each of which had its own governmental structure known as the Board of Proprietors.

For Keith's work, the Proprietors gave him a grant of 700 acres in Monmouth County in the vicinity of the village of Topanemus where he helped building a meeting house in which he preached to the people. Over time he converted to the Anglican Church of England and converted the Topanemus Quakers to the Anglican Church, which today is St. Peter’s Church on Throckmorton Street, Freehold. In Keith's time the meetinghouse at Topanemus was the church on land donated by Thomas Boels.

In the cemetery next to the site of the meeting house are buried families whose names are indelibly links to Topanemus and later Freehold.

Here lies:

Colonel John Anderson, President of His Majesty’s Council for the Province of East Jersey

Thomas Warne, East Jersey Proprietor

John Reid, Surveyor-General of East Jersey

John Baird and family

Baricclo (Barkalow) family

Bowne family

Holmes family

Throckmorton Family

Tice family

Warne family

And many, many more.

The Lake which was very important to both the Indians and the Quakers is a freshwater lake on McGellaird's Brook which flows in a westerly direction to the Matchaponix Brook through Manalapan. It is part of the South River watershed in the Raritan River drainage basin. It is generally believed that the Lake was originally formed by beaver activity.

The early settlers of the area were quick to take advantage of this resource, and a mill was in place by the 1700's. The Lake served as the site of Forman's Mill during the Battle of Monmouth, June 28, 1778. A modern bridge was installed in 1919. During the mid-1900's the lake was a popular local recreation destination that offered swimming on lifeguarded beaches, boating, fishing and ice skating.

The impact of increased development in the late 1900s caused Lake Topanemus to be filled with silt, soil, and nutrient runoff. This resulted in a shallower lake that was becoming choked with weeds and vegetation, a process called eutrophication. Concurrent with the recent restoration of the dam and bridge on Pond Road, Freehold Borough and Freehold Township completed dredging and maintenance work, ensuring that Lake Topanemus will be here for future generations to enjoy.

From comments on findagrave: Mary Stanley-Lord Carhart Warne was the daughter of Robert and Rebecca Stanley Lord. She was the step granddaughter of Major William Phillips, Sr. (1602-1683). She was the daughter of Christopher Stanley. Her mother Susanna first married her father Christopher Stanley. Christopher and Susanna Stanley had two children; Rebecca and Martha. After the death of her first husband Christopher Stanley, Mrs. Susanna Stanley, the mother of Rebecca Stanley Lord and Martha Stanley married Major William Phillips and had three more children; William, Elizabeth and Sarah Phillips. A 1/2 sister of Rebecca Stanley Lord, Elizabeth Phillips, Mary Stanley-Lord Carhart Warne's 1/2 aunt, married Captain John Alden, Jr., the son of Priscilla Mullins and John Alden, Sr. made famous in Longfellow's "The Courtship of Miles Standish. "John Alden, Sr. is credited with being the first voyager on the Mayflower to set foot at Plymouth Rock. Captain John Alden, Jr. is Find-A-Grave #35732843. Elizabeth Phillips, Mary Lord Carhart Warne's 1/2 aunt, was the widow of Abriel Everill. After his death she married Captain John Alden, Jr. with whom she had fourteen children. John Alden, Jr. was a survivor of the Salem Witch Hunt which resulted with the Salem Witch Trials of 1692. Mary Stanley-Lord Carhart Warne Married (1) Thomas Carhart and had three sons. Married (2) Thomas Warne and had five sons and one daughter. Major William Phillips, Sr was born in England in 1610 and died in Boston, Mass. in 1683. Major Phillips married three times and had twenty children; nine children and eleven step-children. With his first wife Mary, he had three children; Phoebe b. 1640, Nathaniel b. 1642 and Mary b. 1644. His first wife Mary died in 1646. Major Phillips' second wife was the former Mrs. Christopher Stanley. Mrs. Susanna Stanley, his second wife, had two step-daughters Rebecca Stanley and Martha Stanley from her first marriage. Rebecca and Martha Stanley, after their mother's remarriage, became the step-daughters of Major William Phillips. The former Mrs. Susanna Stanley and Major William Phillips had three children; William, Elizabeth and Sarah. After the death of his second wife; the former Mrs. Susanna Stanley, Major William Phillips married for a third time. Major Phillips married Mrs. Bridget Hutchinson Sanford. Bridget Hutchinson Sanford had nine children from her first marriage to John Sanford. They were; Elphal, Peleg, Endcome, Restcome, Wiiliam, Esbon, Francis, Elisha and Anne. Major William Phillips and Bridget Hutchinson Sanford had three children; John, Samuel and William. Major William Phillips, upon arriving in America, resided in Cambridge, Mass. until 1646 when he moved to Boston, Mass. and became a vinter. In 1660 he moved to Saco, Maine where he became a large land proprietor and in connection with his son-in-law Captain John Alden, in lumbering operations. He was commander of the Yorkshire forces, Kings commissioner and justice for New England. In 1675 when moving to Boston his house and mills were burnt. The Indian Mogg Megone confirmed a tract of land on the Saco and Kenebeck Rivers to William. Mentioned by John Greenleaf Whittier in his poem of "Mogg Megone." "History of Warren County:" Taken From: GenForum@Ancestry.com Nick Sheedy Date: July 07, 2000; In Reply to: Re: Mary Stanley m. Zechariah Field abt 1600 by Sherry Schaller Marshall. "Much confusion has resulted from Susanna calling all of William PHILLIP's children by a previous marriage, HER children in her Will." I note also some confusion exists because Maj. Wm. Phillips gave substantial inheritences to all his "children" (some of whom were step-children). It makes a puzzle of the relationships. Here I concern this posting mainly with the Stanley line. "Carhart Genealogy" p 25 (incorrectly) claims Rebecca Lord is a daughter of Maj. William Phillips citing 2000 acres bequeathed to Rebecca and Robert Lord in Phillips' will. Other sources show Susannah Stanley had two daughters by Capt. Christopher Stanley before marying Maj. William Phillips: Rebecca Stanley (m. Robert Lord); Martha (m. Richard Thruston). I have not found any information regarding children of Wm. Phillips' other wives by previous marriages but supposed children of Wm. Phillips are noted below. "History of the Warne Family in America" pp 56-58 gives the following information: Maj. William Phillips of Saco, ME and Boston, MA was married three times. His first wife was Mary

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(d. 1 May 1646) by whom he had Phebe (b. 7 April 1640), Nathaniel (b. 5 Feb 1642), and Mary (b. 17 Feb. 1644). His second wife was the widow Susanna Stanley (d. 16 June 1655) whom he married before 10 Sept 1650 and by whom he had William, Elizabeth and Sarah. His third wife (married in 1657) was the widow Bridget Sanford by whom he had John, Samuel (b. 16 March 1658), and William (b. 28 Jan 1660). Major William Phillips bequeathed 1000 acres in York Co., ME each to Rebecca Lord and husband Thomas Lord. BUT, he bequeathed 19,000 acres in all to 19 people, some of them children, various relation, and some no relation at all. The 19,000 acres was known as the "Fluellen" tract, comprising Alfred, Sanford and Waterboro, Maine. Susannah (Stanley) Phillips made her will 10 Sept 1650 with "the consent of her new husband", Maj. Wm. Phillips so they were married prior to then. In it, she refers to her "daughter" as "Rebecca Lord", so Rebecca was already married as well. Susannah died 16 June 1655 and her will was probated 2 Aug. 1655. Regarding Rebecca and Martha, children of Capt. Christopher and Susannah Stanley, "The Pioneers of Massachusettes" p 291 states: "Rebecca Lord's mother gave her part of a house in which she was already living (in Boston) adjoining her sister, Thurston's, Aug. 18, 1652. ... Capt. Richard Thurston and wife Martha [Stanley], and Robert Lord and Rebecca [Stanley], his wife, living in England, sold their right in a certain house in Boston in connection with Lieut. Phillips. Jan. 8, 1656. "Rebecca [Stanley] and husband, Capt. Robert Lord evidently crossed the Atlantic at least twice, perhaps more. That is, if they were married in Mass. before 1650, were living in England in 1656, gave birth to dau. Mary Lord (Carhart) Warne at Cambridge, Mass. in 1668, and died abroad (probably in England). This according to "Warne Family in America", and "the Salsburys" citing Suffolk County and town records. Their son, Richard "in all probability followed the fortunes of the father in London. No issue is known in the male line." It would have been a lot of travelling and uncommon for most early colonists, but Robert Lord was a sea Captain and had business in America and England. Captain Robert Lord was born in 1625 in Towchester, Northamptonshire, England. He married Rebecca Stanley. He probably died in England while transacting business in the mariner-goods trade. Captain Robert and Rebecca Stanley Lord each inherited 1,000 acres in York County, Maine from her step-father Major William Phillips. Their parcels were part of the 19,000 acre Fluellen Tract which was evenly divided into 1,000 acre parcels and given to children, relatives and a few unrelated associates of Major William Phillips. Taken From: Geo Forum @ Ancestry.com Nick Sheedy; July 07, 2000 "Pioneers of Massachusettes" and "History of the Warne Family in America" state: Capt. Christopher Stanley (age 32) and wife Susannah (age 31) arrived at Boston on the "Elizabeth and Ann" in 1635. They settled in Boston. Susanna was admitted to the church 23 June 1639. Capt. Christopher was admitted as a freeman 2 June 1641. Christopher Stanley's death is given as 27 March 1646; his will dated 27 March 1646 and probated 19 March 1649. [NOTE: The will does not mention children but they would have been quite young --likely born in America-- and if the will was dated and he died on the sameday, it was likely written in haste.] Children are given as: Rebecca (m. Robert Lord); Martha (m. Richard Thurston) by the aforementioned texts and "Savage, General Dict." states Captain Christopher Stanley had a daughter Rebecca who married Robert Lord.