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Placeholder profile to represent a child of Amice de Fusche and parent of William le Strange.

It is not chronologically credible that William, born say 1232, was a son of John ll le Strange. Yet, he held property owned by John, as per VCH in 1964.

'Shangton', in A History of the County of Leicestershire: Volume 5, Gartree Hundred, (London, 1964) pp. 293-297. British History Online https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/leics/vol5/pp293-297 [accessed 24 March 2024] The earliest documentary evidence shows that SHANGTON was in the possession of John Lestrange II (fl. 1197–1234), and that he held ¾ knight's fee there by 1206. (fn. 23) John Lestrange II married Amice la Fusche, (fn. 24) and she, after her husband's death, granted all her land in Shangton to her son William. William must have been born shortly before his father's death, (fn. 25) as he was apparently only just of age in 1253. (fn. 26) Presumably after that date he purchased land in Hardwick and Great Glen; the transaction was witnessed by John Lestrange III (d. before March 1269), John Lestrange IV, and his brother Hamon. (fn. 27)

• 23. Cur. Reg. R. iv. 184; Leic. City Mun. Room, Farnham's MS. notes, citing fine of Hilary, 9 John; Assoc. Archit. Soc. Rep. & Papers, xxiv. 249–50.
• 24. Leic. City Mun. Room, 31 D. 56/37.
• 25. For the family, see Complete Peerage, xii. 347 sqq.
• 26. Assoc. Archit. Soc. Rep. & Papers, xxxv. 150, 152.
• 27. Northants. Rec. Off. Isham (Lamport) 153.

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Comments

From https://www.geni.com/discussions/277556?msg=1692933

I don’t see a reason not to accept VCH research published in 1964. The notes about the disarray in the Leicester Munitions Room, before an archivist was hired, could explain why Eyton and the LeStrange book author did not show this William, son of John ll line?

• The Antiquary, Volume 3 edited by Edward Walford, John Charles Cox, George Latimer Apperson. Page 29-30. < GoogleBooks > “When the late Mr. James Thompson was collecting material for his “History of Leicester” thirty-five years ago, the Records of the Corporation were not easily accessible, neither were they arranged in any way …”
• Evans, Anne. “The Custody of Leicester's Archives from 1273 to 1947.” Transactions of the Leicestershire Archaeological and Historical Society, vol. 66, Archaeology Data Service, 2023, pp. 105–20, doi: 10.5284/1107701.
• < LeStrange Records > Page 90. “In the 20th Henry III (1236), William le Strange fined a mark to the King for having a record of an assize which Robert Maunsel and his wife Mabel had against him concerning the diversion of a watercourse in Sanketon ; 5 we have seen that Sanketon church was the property of John le Strange (II), and had been given by him to Lilleshall Abbey. 6”

From https://www.geni.com/discussions/277556?msg=1693027

William, "just of age in 1253" was possibly born no earlier than 1232. So, yeah, both John II and Amice would have been at advanced age. (Unless the marriage was an advanced May-December arrangement). The possibility exist that the record was corrupt, and that William may have been a grandson of John II and Amice.

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References

1. https://thesignsofthetimes.com.au/30/56955.htm