Payne de Beauchamp, Lord of Bedford

Son of Robert, not Hugh, de Beauchamp. http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3.htm#PaynBe...

Sir Payn de Beauchamp, Lord of Bedford, b abt 1118, of Bedford, Bedfordshire, England, d bef 1155/56. He md Rohese de Vere abt 1145, daughter of Aubrey II de Vere, Master Chamberlain, and Adelize/Alice de Clare. manuscript document narrating the foundation of Newenham Priory names "Paganus de Bello-campo" as its founder, his wife "Roisia", and their son "Simon de Bellocampo". Payn & his wife had [two] children:

a) [HELEN

b) SIMON de Beauchamp (-1207) ..."

Payne de Beauchamp was ancestor of the Beauchamps of Bedford, that barony conferred on [his father?] by William Rufus in 1091.

See "My Lines"

( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p168.htm#i18731 )

from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA

( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/index.htm )

• Name[1] Payn de Beauchamp
• Alt Name Payne (Peganus) of Bedford de Beauchamp
• Alt Name Payne (Pagan) de Beauchamp
• Alt Name Peganus de Beauchamp
• Gender Male
• Alt Birth? abt 1070 Lexden, Essex, England
• Alt Birth? ABT 1095 Essex & Bedfordshire, England
• Alt Birth? ABT 1112 Hereford, Buckinghamshire, England
• Birth? 1118 of Hereford, Buckshire, England
• Alt Marriage AFT 1144
• to Rohese de Vere, Countess of Essex
• Marriage ABT. 1146 Of, , Essex, England
• to Rohese de Vere, Countess of Essex
• Alt Marriage 1149
• to Rohese de Vere, Countess of Essex
• Death? BET 1156 AND 1157
• Alt Death? 1157

▼References

• ↑ G.E.C., 13 vols. Complete Peerage. (London, St. Catherine Press, 1910-1959), Vol 5, p. 116.
• Essex 15, vol 1, p. 511.
• Baker's Nrthmp, vol 1, p. 544 (GS #Q942.55 H2ba).
• Plantagenet Ancestry p. 101 (GS #Q940 D2t).
• Morant's Essex, vol 2, 229 (GS #Q942.67 H2m).
• Dict. of Nat'l Biog., vol 39 p. 169 (GS # Ref 920.042 D561n).
• Battle Abbey Roll, Vol 2, p. 243, 244 (GS #942 D2bb).
• Peerages of the British Isles 1883 p. 29 (GS #942 D22bug).

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There are two alternate lines upward from the Beauchamp that married a Godolphin:

This one, which asserts a Beauchamp line hiding out in Cornwall (founded by a little (or un) known son of Hugh's son Peganus) since the time of the Conquerer and another one, that has the bride coming from a better known line in England.

After running this one out I'm leaning toward the other. The Cornwall churches kept great records. These Beauchamp records don't have the detail the others do. They don't feel right.

Undoubtedly the line comes from the original Hugh- the Godolfin heir wouldn't have married an ersatz Beauchamp. But I'm not sure this is it.

The line up through the Godolphin/Beauchamp marriage is solid, as is the upper Godolphin side.

There are two alternate lines upward from the Beauchamp that married a Godolphin:

This one, which asserts a Beauchamp line hiding out in Cornwall (founded by a little (or un) known son of Hugh's son Peganus) since the time of the Conquerer and another one, that has the bride coming from a better known line in England.

After running this one out I'm leaning toward the other. The Cornwall churches kept great records. These Beauchamp records don't have the detail the others do. They don't feel right.

Undoubtedly the line comes from the original Hugh- the Godolfin heir wouldn't have married an ersatz Beauchamp. But I'm not sure this is it.

The line up through the Godolphin/Beauchamp marriage is solid, as is the upper Godolphin side.

This one, which asserts a Beauchamp line hiding out in Cornwall (founded by a little (or un) known son of Hugh's son Peganus) since the time of the Conquerer and another one, that has the bride coming from a better known line in England.

After running this one out I'm leaning toward the other. The Cornwall churches kept great records. These Beauchamp records don't have the detail the others do. They don't feel right.

Undoubtedly the line comes from the original Hugh- the Godolfin heir wouldn't have married an ersatz Beauchamp. But I'm not sure this is it.

The line up through the Godolphin/Beauchamp marriage is solid, as is the upper Godolphin side.

References

• Publications of the Bedfordshire historical record society. “Beauchamp of Bedford.” Page 8 Archive.Org
• http://www.knight-france.com/geneal/names/2931.htm