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Phoebe Juzan (Homma)

Birthdate:
Death: after 1841
Lauderdale County, Mississippi, United States
Immediate Family:

Daughter of Oklahoma, Chief to the Choctaw Nation and Six Town Wright
Wife of Pierre Charles Juzan
Mother of Ramona Wall; Narcissa Juzan and Sybell Walker
Sister of Winna; Pissatemah Oklahoma; Immanhola; Himmonahtubbee; Tahanahtubbee and 1 other
Half sister of Sahhotona; Tomaho; General Dale; Hotoma and Sahhotona

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About Phoebe Juzan

The following is an excerpt from the book, The Creek War of 1813 and 1814 by Halbert and Ball, from Chapter III, Tecumseh amongst the Choctaws and the Cherokees.

It so happen ed that same day that Oklahoma, a noted mingo from Coosha, a nephew of Pushmataha and brother of Juzan's wife, was in Chunky with a number of his warriors.

When reading the notes of H. S. Halbert, and the paper on the Creek War written by H. S. Halbert and Ball in the 1890's, it is curious to note that Pierre Juzan, named as a leader by the authors is described in a manner that curiously parallels what is know n of the life of Charles Juzan. As a consequence, in various records the son of Charles Juzan, also named Pierre Juzan is sometimes annotated as the son of Pierre Juzan. In fact, it is more than likely, for some unknown reason Charles Juzan and Pierre Juzan as referenced are the same person. Juzan was a trader who lived among the Choctaw, son of Pierre Francois Juzan, known as "Don Pedro", the only child of Pierre Gabrielle Juzan who was killed by the Chickasaw s in 1735-1736, and Margaret Trudeau, who died within days after the birth. The mother of Charles Juzan is not known. It is commonly accepted that he is the son of Don Pedro Juzan and an unknown Choctaw woman, some say sister to a chief, others say perhaps a Miss Rochon. Other family files, at both the LDS and Oklahoma Historical Society list the name as Shanke, but descendants of Eliza Ann Flack, daughter of Charles Juzan states it was her mother that was the daughter of Shanke, further complicating the issue. Some researchers, because he had a known relationship with the legitimate family of Don Pedro believe he may have been the son of Don Pedro and his wife Catherine Parant. It is felt, Don Pedro had a son, named Pierre, of which little is known, some also think based more than likely on accounts of the Creek war, that this son was a full brother to Charles. It cannot be clear at this point to verify the issue, however, the facts of the residences of Pierre Juzan, time of his death, and the migration of his children as give n by H. S. Halbert exactly mirror what is known of Charles Juzan, and would suggest that the man he speaks of is in fact Charles. The question to be asked may be, not that two men existed, but did Charles Juzan in fact go by the name of Charles, while his actual name was Pierre. The name of John Charles Juzan has also been seen used by current researchers, yet, all records that have been found refer to him only as Charles. As to the issue of his being part Choctaw, it is known that he married a sister and daughter of Oklahoma (see under the section on his wives and children) , was an accomplished trader, spoke English, French, Spanish and Choctaw, had several residences, among them the ones in Coosha and Chunky towns, and that he attended treaty negotiations and signed at least one treaty, more than likely three. He did benefit from the land "gifts" under the supplement of the Treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek, choosing his reservation in what is now Washington County, Alabama. While some of the white men who married into the nation signed the treaties as interpreters, Juzan was never acknowledged in this role, and most of the men, if not all, to the knowledge of the author, were at least part Choctaw, it is more than likely the belief that he was part Choctaw is correct. To further complicate the issue of Juzan and his family, his relationships to his children, and his wives is frought with rumor and seemingly contradictory evidence. Phoebe Juzan, seen as Phebe in court documents claimed dower rights for the estate of Charles Juzan after his death in 1838 . The settling of his estate took about 2 years, and from the notes of Loretta Coppick, a Juzan descendant, only three of his eleven children seemed to benefit the most, and several were not named at all. Some of those named gave their interest to Eliza Ann Juzan Flack, and others to Phoebe. Also, in 1840, Oklahoma gave to Phebe, and then upon her death the children of Charles Juzan land in Lauderdale County, MS under the trusteeship of Hugh McDonald. In the document, three children are not named, but not the same three that benefited from Charles estate. Untangling the information, and coming to an appropriate conclusion has been difficult. Adding to this difficulty, is the family information handed down by Eliza Ann Flack who stated she was the youngest of eight children, and that her mother was Peggy Trahern. Some of the information in this oral tradition seems to be untrue, as will be discussed below, but the issue of her statement about her mother must be assumed to be correct. To discuss the entire issue the best place to start would be to first list the children of Charles Juzan. They are :

  1. Pierre Juzan, most sources say born in 1793, he died as Choctaw Chief succeeding Nitakechi in Indian territory in 1841. However, I doubt he was almost 40 while at the Choctaw Academy as Johnson calls him a "boy" most likely he is 25 or less, which makes him born between 1805-1810.
  2. Delilah Juzan, born ca 1798, died in Atoka County, IT in 1859 .
  3. Mary Juzan born 1799, died in Ofahoma, MS in 1868.
  4. Rebecca Juzan born 1804, died in Atoka County, IT in 1854 .
  5. William Juzan, born ca 1805, died unknown, presumably in IT.
  6. Jackson Juzan born ca 1808, died 1841 in IT.
  7. Lucy Juzan, born ca 1809, died after 1855 in Atoka Co. IT (Boggy Depot)
  8. Ramona Juzan, born ca 1811, died between 1840-1855 in IT.
  9. Narcissa Juzan, born ca 1814, apparently remained in MS, death date unknown.
  10. Eliza Ann Juzan, born 1819, died 1890, Atoka Co, IT.
  11. Sybbell Juzan, born ca 1821, died unknown, believed to be in IT.

H. S. Halbe rt, states that Jack Amos stated Oklahoma was the brother of Juzan's wife. According to a testimony he gave in 1844, Oklahoma stated his age was approximately 60. Even with the estimation, he was more than likely born 1780-1784. The mother of the older children, would have been presumably at least 14, which would give an estimation for her birthdate of 1780, easily corresponding with the birthdate of Oklahoma. Phoebe Juzan was, as is believed by most, and according to the same oral tradition by Eliza Ann Flack, the daughter of Oklahoma. This I have considered and at first accepted, but have now changed my mind, due to the ban on marrying your own Iska. For an explanation of what I mean, visit here. As the exact year of birth is estimated on most of the children, the possibility that she is the mother of three of the children, Ramona, Narcissa and Sybbell is feasible and plausible. Interestingly enough, the same three benefit the most from the settling of Charles estate. If the statement that Eliza Ann Juzan Flack was the youngest of eight children is to be believed, then she must be the youngest of the children of her mother, Peggy Trahern. That would leave the next three youngest children having a different mother. That would make Peggy Trahern the mother of Pierre, Delilah, Rebecca, Lucy, Mary, Jackson, William, and Eliza Ann. As such, the sister of Oklahoma who was married to Charles Juzan would have to be Peggy Trahern. Interestingly enough, Peggy did have two children, James N. Trahern born 1816, and Jeremiah Trahern between Lucy and Eliza Ann. During the time of 1812-1815, Charles Juzan was fighting in the Creek War and that must be when the indiscretion occurred. Apparently, the relationship did survive long enough for the birth of Eliza Ann, but by 1825, Peggy Trahern was living outside the Choctaw Nation. This will be discussed further under the discussion of the Trahern's. As traditionally within Choctaw society, the inheritance came from the maternal uncle, but Greenwood Leflore had been discouraging the practise, and the statement of Eliza Ann Flack cannot be disreguarded entirely. As to the confusion on the inheritance, there is perhaps an explanation that researchers have failed to consider. From the limited amount of court records the author has seen, it is apparent that after his death, the reservation of Charles Juzan was seized, and Phebe had to go to court to claim her share rightfully as his widow. Loretta Coppick states in her notes that the following children were not named at all, Rebecca, Lucy, Delilah, and Pierre. In the deed from Oklahoma, the children of Charles Juzan named are Pierre, Delilah, Mary, Lucy, Jackson, Reb cca, Eliza Ann, and Sybbell. The names of William, Narcissa and Ramona are omitted. An explanation of this can easily be found if one considers that under the Treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek, the following children had reservations, William and Pierre were named in the supplement as persons allotted their own reservations, Lucy had the reservation given to Wesley Trahern, Rebecca the one given to John Bond, Delilah had her reservation through her inclusion under Article 14. Since the will and the deed both obviously omit some of the children, perhaps the settling of the estate, and the granting of the land was an effort on the parts of all involved to ensure that each had an equal amount of land or property, and not a way to shun one child over another . As mentioned, the statement from as of yet an unknown source, that has often been accredited to the descendants of Eliza Ann Flack, must be addressed, as while most of it is true, some apparently appears to have errors. Chief Pushmataha was succeeded by his nephew (his wife's side) Oklahoma. Pushmataha had a sister, Natona. Natona had a daughter Shanke. Eliza Ann Flack is the great granddaughter of Natona. John Charles Juzan married two neices of Pushmataha, Peggy Trahern, and Phoebe, daughter of Oklahoma. The statement that Oklahoma was the nephew of Pushmataha contradicts the statement of Jack Amos that Nahomtima was the mother of Oklahoma and Juzan's wife. Secondly, as discussed above, given the time frame, Shanke would have been significantly older than Oklahoma to have been the mother of Peggy Trahern, additionally, there is a Shanke on the Armstrong Rolls near Oklahoma, living alone, suggesting that a sister of Peggy named Shanke could have been alive, as well as the mother of Jack Amos. I have be gun to suspect that whomever made the quote was unknowledgeable about the traditions of the Choctaw, and was repeating an oral tail. I wonder if in fact Shanke isn't the Indian Name for Peggy as well. To put this statement in context, Pushmataha is felt to have been born around 1765, claiming to be in his sixties at the time of his death in 1825. Oklahoma was born 1784, and Peggy sometime around 1780. For Shanke to be Peggy Trahern's mother, she would have been born around 1760, and would have been older than Pushmataha, and her mother would have been born around 1740- 1745. While it is possible that this all occurred, it must be noted that of Eliza Ann's four grandchildren (full sisters) on the Dawes rolls, three claimed 1/16, and only one claimed 1/4, which is a closerest imation of the actual degree of blood. Perhaps in the retelling some facts were misconstrued. Also, as the daughter of Oklahoma, Phoebe would have been the grandneice of Pushmataha, and not considered related at all in traditional Choctaw lineage. As to the rumor that Phoebe and Peggy Trahern were French Indian, that apparently is in error. Based on the information at hand, it would appear that the angelicized names of the women most likely occured after their relationship with Charles Juzan occurred, and that both women were full Choctaw who Choctaw names have apparently been abandoned in history.

Possible relation of Phoebe to Oklahomma

After being widowed, Phoebe was given land by Oklahomma.

Deed in Trust to Hugh McDonald for Phebe Juzan, et al. Know all men by these presents that we Okalahhoma and Anon Tooner wife of the said Oklahoma, both of the state of Mississippi, and County of Lauderdale, for and in consideration of the many acts of friendship shown to us by Charles Juzan, deceased in his lifetime, and also for the love we have for Phebe, wife of the said Charles Juzan deceased and for the following named children of the said Charles Juzan viz: Delilah (Juzan Brashears) Wall, Mary (Juzan) Lafloor, Rebecca (Juzan) Walker, Lucy (Juzan Trahern) Gary, Subbill (juzan) Walker, Eliza Ann (juzan) Flack, Pier Juzan, and Jackson Juzan, we have made and by these presents give and grant unto our truly trusted friend Hugh McDonald, of the county Kemput and State aforesaid the following tract of land, lying in said county of Lauderdale, and state of aforesaid viz: the est half of section 30 in township eight north of range seventeen east, which was located by George W. Martin, by virtue of a right of reservation secured to the said Oklahoma by the Treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek to have and to hold the same in trust for the only use and benefit of the said Phebe Juzan for and during her natural life, and then in trust forever for the use of the above named children of Charles juzan and Phebe Juzan and the hiers and assigns of the said above named children to have and to hold all of the above described land for en for its use and trust aforesaid. Our said trusty friend being required to release to each of the above named children, after the death of the said Phebe, such suitable share as the whole tract being divided by eight will amount to. And we do hereby authorize and empower the said Hugh Mcdonald to do and perform all such act s as may be necessary to enable him fully to secure a perfect title by obtaining a patente for such said land from the Government of the United Sates of America and fully to execute the trust hereby reposed in him and for ourselves and our heirs, we hereby do and will ratify forever all, of the foregoing premises of these presents and also all that can or may result there from. In witness of her which we have born to subscribed our names and affixed our scrolls by way of our seals, this 16th day of March, A.D. 1840. Oklahoma and Anon Tooner's x mark and seal, In presence of John St ale and James Millam his x mark. Note: Some sources list h er name as Margaret. See: http://jenniferhsrn2.homestead.co m/brashears.html


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Phoebe Juzan's Timeline

1795
1795
1811
1811
Choctaw Nation, Mississippi Territory, United States
1816
1816
Mississippi, United States
1821
1821
1841
1841
Age 46
Lauderdale County, Mississippi, United States