Ralph de Vernon of Shipbrook

Biography

Sir Ralph ll de Vernon, Baron Vernon of Shipbrook, “the old liver” was born about 1251 in Shipbrook, Northwich, Cheshire, England, or circa 1241-1251 or 1246, and died there about 1334.

His father was Ralph De Vernon, Rector of Hanwell, and his mother was Cecilia Crew.

He married Mary Dacre, daughter of Ranulph Dacre and Joan de Lucy. After her death, he took Maude de Grosvenor as his paramour.

Warine Vernon, elder son of the 4th Baron, had no male heir and his extensive estate was divided between his daughters and his brother Ralph, Rector of Hanwell. Ralph's son, also Ralph b 1241, was reputed to have lived so long he earned the soubriquet The Old Liver. His heir was Sir Richard, son of his second marriage to Matilda Grosvenor of Kinderton, Cheshire. The Barony expired when his grandson Sir Richard, was captured after the Battle of Shrewsbury in 1403 and executed for treason.[1]

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Sir Ralph Vernon, (Old Sir Rslph) Of Shipbrook, Cheshire, England.

Father Ralph Vernon, Rector of Hanwell, b. 1225, Of,Shipbrook,Cheshire,Eng.

Family 1 Mary Dacre, d. Abt 1260

Married Abt 1259 Shipbroke, , Cheshire, England

Children

• 1. Roesia de Vernon, b. Abt 1246, Of Shipbroke, Cheshire, England d. Aft 1322
• 2. Agatha Vernon, b. Abt 1248, ,Shipbrook,Cheshire,Eng
• 3. Nicholas Vernon, b. Abt 1250
• 4. Hugh Vernon, b. Abt 1252
• 5. Sir Ralph Vernon, b. Abt 1254, d. Bef 1323
• 6. Richard Vernon, Rector, b. Abt 1256, Of Stockport d. Abt 1335
• 7. Thomas Vernon, b. Abt 1258, of Haslington,Cheshire,England d. Bef 1323

Family ID F3594 Group Sheet

Family 2 Maud Grosvener

Children

• 1. William Vernon
• 2. Richard Vernon
• 3. Robert Vernon

Family ID F3595 Group Sheet

Family 3 Matilda Hatton

Married Bef 1307

Children

• 1. Robert Vernon, b. Bef 1320, of Hatton,Cheshire,England :d. Aft 1326

Family ID F30784 Group Sheet

Notes

Claimed to have survived to the age of 150 years, outliving 3 generations of his heirs.

M E Sorley: The Sorley Pedigrees pp 47, 25
G Ormerod: The History of Cheshire Vol 2 : 433 Vol 3: 133

From http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/VERNON.htm#Ralph%20De%20VERNON%20(B.%2... about a quarter of the way down the page.

Became the seventh Baron and perhaps the most fantastic of all Vernons. According to all official English records, he lived until 1392, aged 150 years. If this fact bears out, he may well have been the oldest 'liver' in recorded history, until a few years ago when the Russians came up with a man 162 years old. Married twice and outlived most of his many great-grandchildren. He also added the 'maiden proper' on the crest of the coat-of-arms, holding a scythe in her hand and sheaves of wheat in her arm. In 1403 his grandson by his youngest son, Sir Richard the 8th Baron, was beheaded following the Battle of Shrewsbury (he was the Sir Richard Vernon made famous by Shakespeare in one of his plays), the baronage then fell to Sir Ralph 'the Younger' of Hanwell, a great-grandson of 'The Old Liver's oldest son, Sir Ralph. He died without male issue and, in 1404, it went to Sir James of Lostock and Haslington, who became the 10th Baron.

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Notes: became the seventh Baron and perhaps the most fantastic of all Vernons. According to all official English records, he lived until 1392, aged 150 years. If this fact bears out, he may well have been the oldest 'liver' in recorded history, until a few years ago when the Russians came up with a man 162 years old. Married twice and outlived most of his many great-grandchildren. He also added the 'maiden proper' on the crest of the coat-of-arms, holding a scythe in her hand and sheaves of wheat in her arm. In 1403 his grandson by his youngest son, Sir Richard the 8th Baron, was beheaded following the Battle of Shrewsbury (he was the Sir Richard Vernon made famous by Shakespeare in one of his plays), the baronage then fell to Sir Ralph 'the Younger' of Hanwell, a great-grandson of 'The Old Liver's oldest son, Sir Ralph. He died without male issue and, in 1404, it went to Sir James of Lostock and Haslington, who became the 10th Baron.

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(Ormerod) Named as Baron of Shipbrook in 1288, he succeeded to his father's interests in the barony by grants from his father and sister. He survived to the age of 150 years [levied a fine in 1326]. Called "Old Sir Ralph", or "Sir ;;;[?], he added 3 garbs to the fesse (coat of arms).

(Dav. Geneal.) Ralph de Vernon.

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• 'Ralph Vernon1
• 'M, #19776, b. circa 1250, d. circa 1355?
• Father Ralphe de Vernon, Rector of Hanwell
• ' Ralph Vernon married Matilda Grosvenor, daughter of Sir Robert le Grosvenor and Emma Maynwaring. Ralph Vernon married Mary Dacre, daughter of Sir William de Dacre and Joan Garnett. Ralph Vernon was born circa 1250 at Shipbrook, Cheshire, England; He was illegitimate.2 He died circa 1355?; Supposed to have been VERY old.
• 'Family 1 Matilda Grosvenor
• Children
  • William Vernon d. a 1329
  • Robert Vernon d. a 1323
  • Sir Richard de Vernon+ d. a 1322
• 'Family 2 Mary Dacre b. c 1286
• Children
  • Richard 'the Elder' Vernon, Rector of Stockport d. a 1334
  • Sir Ralph Vernon+ d. b 1355
  • Thomas Vernon+
  • Agatha Vernon+ d. a 1350
  • Roesia Vernon+
  • Margaret Vernon+3 b. c 1305
• Citations
• 1.[S6080] Unknown author, The History of the County Palatine and City of Chester, by George Ormerod, 1819, p. 133; The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz, by Ronny O. Bodine, p. 76, OFHS Newsletter, December 1995, p. 90;.
• 2.[S10297] Unknown author, History of the County Palatine and City of Chester, by George Omerod, 1819., p. 133.
• 3.[S61] Unknown author, Family Group Sheets, Family History Archives, SLC.
• From: http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p658.htm#i...
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• 'Ralph Vernon1
• 'M, #407397, b. 1251
• Last Edited=27 Nov 2009
• ' Ralph Vernon was born in 1251.1 He married Mary Dacre.1
• 'Child of Ralph Vernon and Mary Dacre
  • 1.Agatha de Vernon+1
• Citations
• 1.[S1916] Tim Boyle, "re: Boyle Family," e-mail message to Darryl Roger Lundy, 16 September 2006. Hereinafter cited as "re: Boyle Family."
• From: http://www.thepeerage.com/p40740.htm#i407397
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• 'Ralph De VERNON (B. Vernon of Shipbrook)
• 'Born: ABT 1241, Shipbrook, Cheshire, England?
• 'Died: AFT Jul 1325
• 'Notes: became the seventh Baron and perhaps the most fantastic of all Vernons. According to all official English records, he lived until 1392, aged 150 years. If this fact bears out, he may well have been the oldest 'liver' in recorded history, until a few years ago when the Russians came up with a man 162 years old. Married twice and outlived most of his many great-grandchildren. He also added the 'maiden proper' on the crest of the coat-of-arms, holding a scythe in her hand and sheaves of wheat in her arm. In 1403 his grandson by his youngest son, Sir Richard the 8th Baron, was beheaded following the Battle of Shrewsbury (he was the Sir Richard Vernon made famous by Shakespeare in one of his plays), the baronage then fell to Sir Ralph 'the Younger' of Hanwell, a great-grandson of 'The Old Liver's oldest son, Sir Ralph. He died without male issue and, in 1404, it went to Sir James of Lostock and Haslington, who became the 10th Baron.
• Father: Ralph De VERNON (Rector of Hanwell)
• Mother: Cecilia CREW
• 'Married: Mary DACRE (B. Vernon of Shipbrook)
• Children:
  • 1. Rohese De VERNON
  • 2. Agatha De VERNON
  • 3. Hugh De VERNON
  • 4. Nicholas De VERNON
  • 5. Ralph De VERNON
  • 6. Richard De VERNON
  • 7. Thomas De VERNON
  • 8. Alice De VERNON
• From: http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/VERNON.htm#Ralph De VERNON (B. Vernon of Shipbrook)1
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Born in Shiprock, Chesire, England.