Randall Beagley

Not a known son of Robert Baguley & Alis Newton

Randall Baguely (Randle Beagley) was born at Ollerton Hall, Cheshire. Randall moved across England to Wrentham in Suffolk County. He apparently made this move as a married man with two or more children, and in the years following 1603 had five children baptised at Wrentham before his death in 1626.

Children:

1. Persis, bpt: 01 Apr 1604
2. Susan, bpt: 06 Jul 1606
3. William, bpt: 019 Feb 1608; d: 23 Mar 1621
4. Margaret, bpt: 01 Mar 1611
5. John, bpt: 16 Feb 1616

Also seen as children of Randall Beagley and Jane Beagley:

1. Elizabeth, no baptismal record, born in 1606
2. Phebe, no baptismal record, born in 1608, who had a brother
3. Francis, no baptismal record, born about 1615; d 1657; who had a brother, John, presumed to be the same person as John Biglo (Bigelow) of Watertown

They have been detached 6 November 2022.

Biography

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/130876377/randall-beagely_bigelow

Randall was born about 1578 in Wrentham, Suffolk. He married a woman named Jane, probably in Wrentham. They had at least eight children. Randall and his wife both died in Wrentham in 1626. What epidemic took the lives of both parents is not known, nor is it known who cared for their children. Possibly the older children cared for the youngest. Randal and his wife were buried in the churchyard of St. Nicholas Church in Wrentham.

It has been thought that the Bigelow-Beagely family descended from one Richard, lord of Baguley, who lived during the 13th century. This opinion was based chiefly upon the supposition that a John Bigelow of Watertown, Massachusetts was the same man as a certain John Beagely, reputedly a son of the house of Baguley, who, according to parrish records, was born in Wrentham, Suffolk County England, on February 16, 1616-7. In fact, John Bigelow was baptised in the parish church of Wrentham, Suffolk, England on that date, the son of Randal and Jane Beagely. The rector of Wrentham parish in 1617 was the Rev. John Phillips, who later emigrated to Dedham, Massachusetts. During his years in Dedham, Phillips once stated that the blacksmith John Biglo of Watertown, Massachusetts was the same infant whom he had baptized in 1617 as the son of Randall Beageley”.

Research notes

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Baguley-34

It has been thought that the Bigelow-Beagely family descended from one Richard, lord of Baguley, who lived during the 13th century. This opinion was based chiefly upon the supposition that a John Bigelow of Watertown, Massachusetts was the same man as a certain John Beagely, reputedly a son of the house of Baguley, who, according to parrish records, was born in Wrentham, Suffolk County England, on February 16, 1616-7. In fact, John Bigelow was baptised in the parish church of Wrentham, Suffolk, England on that date, the son of Randal and Jane Bigelow. The rector of Wrentham parish in 1617 was the Rev. John Phillips, who later emigrated to Dedham, Massachusetts. During his years in Dedham, Phillips once stated that the blacksmith John Biglo of Watertown, Massachusetts was the same infant whom he had baptized in 1617 as the son of Randall Beageley”. John was left an orphan by the deaths of both his parents within a space of two weeks in May, 1626. What epidemic took the lives of both parents is not known, nor is it known who cared for John in his youth. Randal and his wife were buried in the churchyard of St. Nicholas Church in Wrentham.

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bigelow-53

Note NI3805Randall - d. 1626. Married Jane, and moved from Cheshire to Wrentham in Suffolk by 1603, where their five youngest children were baptized. Primary information source: The Bigelow Family Genealogy, Vol. 1, edited for The Bigelow Society by Patricia Bigelow (Flint, MI, 1986) The Baguley family has a long history in Chesire England, and are descendants of Sir Hamon Massey.

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Randall Baguley b. c.1578 Baguley History

The chart below is from a Bigelow Society document found in Volume I of The Bigelow Family Genealogy. I'm unclear how the following info fits into that but I'm open to suggestions. I did notice that William, lord of Baguley 1320, had 3 children and the chart shows Ellen marrying Sir John Legh, not Isabella. This fact is covered in Vol I page 4. And notice the ancestor list at the bottom of the page Historical Beginnings: Baguleys It appears that when the Normans came in William the Conquerors' time (1066-1087) the area known as Baggiley in Cheshire was held by Hamon Massy, Baron of Durham Massy, who was given it as reward for his Knights service and it was to be handed down to his heirs and successors. (Refer 1) Around the time of King John, (1129-1216), the heir of Hamon Massy, another Hamon Massy, gave Mathew Massy of Bromhale: Bromhale, Duckenfield, and two parts of Baggiley. At this time the "Hamon Massy" heirs adopted the name Baggiley, as well. Later to be known as Baguley. It is certain that this town gave the name to the family Baggiley (Baguley). There were certain Baggileys known to be resident as early as the reign of Henry III, (1216-1272). Baguley is about twelve miles from Manchester. The International Genealogical Index indicate births as early as 1170 in the area. If the above statement is true then our original name was therefore Massy. As to whether Hamon Massy, Baron of Durham was a direct ancestor of Sir William de Baggiley (aka: de Baguley) still has to be established.

Sir William de Baggiley (aka: de Baguley) born c1260 was knighted by King Edward I, and later married one of the King's daughters. Her name was Lucy Corona. (see below) She was born out of wedlock. This was quite common in those days for the King to have children from someone other than the Queen. Lucy's mother (a Lady in Waiting) worked in the King's court. Sir William and Lucy had five children. The children married into well-to-do families. During this time the Baguley family were quite well up in the aristocracy of England. They owned the Salt Mines in Cheshire and a mill for processing. This is where they made their money. In the reign of Edward II, (1284-1327), Sir William de Baggiley (aka: Sir William de Baguley) born c1260, was Lord of Baguley. Sir William built Baguley Hall c1320 and was Lord of the Manor until his death. At the time of his death, he also owned a manor at Hyde and another at Levenshulme in Lancashire, plus an inn called The Ryle Thorn in Baguley. He was succeeded by his son John Baggiley (aka: John Baguley) born c1290; who died around 1356(Refer 2) and his daughter Isabel as joint heirs of his property. Isabel married Sir John Leigh of Booths, a widower. Their eldest son William inherited Baguley. The manor remained in the Leigh family until the late seventeenth century, when the line terminated in Edward Leigh. He had married Elinour Tatton of Wythenshawe Hall. And although they had three daughters, there was no son to succeed him. (Refer 3) An effigy of Sir William is housed in St. Mary's Church, Bowden Parish, Cheshire. (Refer 4) Not far from the old Baguley Hall. Originally there was a Baggiley (Baguley) coat of arms vis: The losenges were asure on an orange background. It is understood that this coat of arms was demolished when the property of John Baggiley (Baguley), Baguley Hall was made over to Sir John Leigh of Booths near Knutsford around 1353. Refer 1 - Barry Baguley - @compuserve.com - Family Tree Data 
Refer 2 - The History of Cheshire according to Leycester 
Refer 3 - Harry E. Baguley-Sweet, RR#1, Lowbanks, Ontario, CANADA , N0A 1K0 
Refer 4 - See Cheshire by R.N. Dore 
see also: Baguley Hall 
and and : Baguley History 5: 
Baguley History 1 The following is an outlne of Sir William de Baggiley (aka: de Baguley) Family Tree. The information was obtained from the above references and from information contained in the Bigelow Society Home Pages and Bigelow Home Pages. Edited by Rod 1997. 1 - - - 2 - - - 3 - - - 4 - - - 5 - - - 6 - - - 7 - - - 8 - - - 9 - - - 10 - - - 11 - - - 12 - - - 13 - - - 14 1. Sir William de Baguley of Baguley, b.c1260, d. , 
s. Lucy Corona, b. , d. , daughter of Edward I and mother (?). 
2. Isabel de Baguley, b. , d. , 
s. Sir John Legh of Booths, b. , d. , 
3. William de Baguley-Legh, b. , d. , 
2. John de Baguley, b.1290, d. , 
spouse unknown. 
2. Ellen de Baguley, b. , d. , 
s. John de Venables-Legh, b. , d. , 
3. Robert de Legh of Adlington, b. , d. , 
3. John de Legh of Books, b. , d. , 
3. Sir William de Legh, b. , d. , 
2. Geffery de Baguley, b. , d. , 
s. 
2. Sir William de Baguley, b.1310, d.1350, 
s. Clementia de Cheadle, b. , d. , daughter of Rodger de Cheadle 
3. Hamon de Baguley, b. , d. , 
s. 
3. Isabel de Baguley, b. , d. , 
s. 
3. Richard de Baguley, b. , d. , 
s. 
3. Sir John de Baguley, b. , d. 1353, 
s. Ellen de Baguley, b. , d. , 
4. Richard de Baguley, b. , d. , acq Ollerton Hall through mar(1400's) 
s. Alice de Verdun of Ollerton Hall, b. , d. , dau of Ralph de Verdun 
5. Ralph de Baguley of Ollerton, b. 1500, d. 1540, 
s. 
6. Hamon de Baguley, b. , d. , is heir to Ollerton Hall 
6. Nicholas de Baguley of Newton, b. , d. 1558, 
s. 
7. John de Baguley, b. , d. , 
7.Robert de Baguley, b. , d. , 
6. Randall de Baguley, b. 1526, d. 1556, 
s. Eleanor , b. , d. , 
7. Robert de Baguley, b., d. , 
s. 
8. Randell de Baguley, b. , d. 1626, 
s. Jane 
9. Francis ? 
9. Elizabeth, b ?; d 1691 
9. Persis, b 1604; 
9. Susan, b 1606; 
9. William, b 1608; d 1621. 
9. Margaret, b 1611; d ; 
9. John, b 1617; d 1703; 
s. Mary Warren, b 
8. John de Baguley, b. , d. , 
7. Phillip de Baguley, b. , d. , 
s. 
8. Randall de Baguley, b. , d. , 
8. Phillip de Baguley, b. , d. ,


Historical Baguley information: The third manor, that of Baguley which formed part of the parish of Bowdon, came into the hands of the Baguley family from the Masseys certainly by the early thirteen century. They took their name from the place. They retained it till the year 1355 when John, the son of Sir William de Baguley granted his manors there and at Hyde and Levenshulme to John Legh of Booths near Knutsford who married Isabel, daughter of Sir William and sister of John. The Baguley's became a family of importance in the late twelfth and early thirteenth centuries, being witnesses of many important charters, e.g. in Northendon and Stockport. A charter of 1316 confirms the ownership by William de Baguley of land in Wythenshawe lying in Middle Eye near the land of William Mascy (probably near the Mersey-eye meaning an island or land liable to flooding). As we have seen in 1318 Nicholas de Eton, Lord of Stockport, granted Ruyul (perhaps near Ryle Thorn or Royal Thorn) and Alveley Hey (now Haveley Hey) to Sir William de Baguley and his heirs. The Baggeleghs were among the wealthy lay families owning the Cheshire salt mines. A Thomas de Baguley fought for King Edward III at the battle of Poitiers and later from Knutsford pleaded for more recognition of his services. It is probable that Sir William built the great Baguley Hall, the most important building in our area at the period of the greatest eminence of the family in the early fourteenth century in the style of the times (Smithills Hall at Bolton is a close parallel) using timber, so tradition says, from Lyme Park, with the owners of which, the Leghs, he was connected by marriage. This hall is the earliest and most massive of the three medieval manor houses in the area. Ormerod gives a list of the members of the Legh family who held the manor until the seventeenth century. It finally passed into the hands of the Tattons in 1825 when all three manors for the first time came into common ownership. Extract from Wythenshawe A History of the townships of Northendon North Echells and Baguley The article above was sent to me by Barry Baguley........ROD 10/04/97 The top article and family tree above was sent to me by Cecelia........ROD 07/25/97 Cecelia M. Johnson-Baguley 
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Biography

This source lists a long pedigree which may or may not be true. The pedigree is said to have been developed by H G Somerby who is known to have created false genealogies.

From Colonial Families of the United States of America, Volume V p. 56. Mackenzie, George Norbury. [Space:Colonial Families of the United States of America|Colonial Families of the United States of America] (Baltimore, Maryland: The Seaforth Press) Accessed at Ancestry.

:Randall Baguley, was the son of Robert Baguley of Ollerton.

He married Jane _____ at Wrentham, Suffolk, England

:Randall was buried 17 May 1626. :Children bpt at Wrentham. ::1.Persis, bpt 1 april 1604 ::2.Susand bpt 6 July 1606 ::3.William bpt 19 Feb 1608; d. 23 Mar 1621 ::4.Margaret bp 1 Mar 1611 ::5.John bpt. 16 Feb 1616.

Birth

• Birth: ABT 1578 Wrentham, Suffolk (estimate 26 years before birth of Persis.

Notes

• Ancestor of Temperance Shipman (Frances Brooks)
• Note Randall - d. 1626. Married Jane,and moved from Cheshire to Wrentham in Suffolk by 1603, where their five youngest children were baptized. : Primary information source: The Bigelow Family Genealogy, Vol. 1, edited for The Bigelow Society by Patricia Bigelow (Flint, MI, 1986)

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Comments: Francis is disputed as son; Elizabeth is disputed as daughter, and was likely not the wife of Richard Butler.

References

1. Bigelow, Bigelow Family, Editor: Bigelow, Patricia, (Flint, MI: The Bigelow Society, Inc,, 1986), p.4

• Historical Reminiscences of the Early Times in Marlborough, Massachusetts ... By Ella A. Bigelow Page 124 https://books.google.com/books?id=6yoWAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA124&lpg=PA124&d...

1. LDS Records as of 1997
2. Bigelow Society Website: http://bigelowsociety.com/rod2005/baguley6.htm
3. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/bigelow/default.aspx?section=y... indicates that these Bigelows were in Haplogroup R1b-BY20023:
4. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Baguley-34
5. https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/130876377
6. "Colonial Families of the United States of America" v5 p56 on ancestry.com; & space Colonial Families of the United States of America by George Norbury Mackenzie & Seaforth Press of Baltimore, MD; with long pedigree which may or may not be true as it is said to have been developed by H. G. Somerby who is known to have created some false genealogies. < AncestrySharing >
7. The Bigelow Family Genealogy. Vol 1. The Bigelow Society, Flint, Michigan
8. French, Miss Elizabeth. Genealogical Research in England, The New England Historical & Genealogical Register. (NEHGS, Boston, Mass., 1909) Vol. 63, Page 363. The Will of Francis Beagley Als Rawly in the County of Suffolk, blacksmith, 20 Oct 1656. Proved 19 Feb 1656/7. Also see notes about descrepencies introduced by Horatio G. Somerby. < GoogleBooks >
9. “Parish Church of St Nicholas”, Wrentham, Suffolk, England. < link > “… It is a big church with an imporessive 15th century tower and two big aisles, one 15th century and the other Victorian. The chancel is from the 13th century and supported by red-brick buttresses … “
10. “St. Nicholas, Wrentham < link > “ … The graveyard is a delight; it isn't very big, but it has a good collection of 18th and even 17th century graves, which is a most unusual thing to find in Suffolk, or indeed, anywhere. It surrounds what can only be described as a big church, even for this part of Suffolk. The great 15th century tower stands tall and proud in the middle of this island - supposedly, you can see the sea from the top. …”