Richard de Wyesham, Lord of Wyesham

John Duncumb et al, Collections Towards the History and Antiquities of the County of Hereford, Volume 2, 1812. p. 368: Notes: Under "Parish of Hope Mansell" (which was an appendage to the honour of Monmouth)

William FitzBaderon [whose ancestor was Lord of Monmouth and of this manor at the time of the Domesday Survey, holding Hope, Leuric and Edeulf] was living in 1119, and was succeeded by his son Baderon FitzWilliam, who sometime around 1128 married Rohesia, daughter of Gilbert Strongbow, Earl of Pembroke. Their son Gilbert (FitzBaderon]\) who died c 1190, was succeeded by his son John (Sheriff of Herefordshire in 1231) who died in 1247. John, by his first wife Cecily (daughter of William de Walerand) had four daughters; by his second wife Agnes de Muscegros, had sons: 1. William (who died while his father was living), 2. John (who succeeded his father, had livery of his lands in 1248 but in 1256 being "heavily in debt to the crown" he conveyed to Prince Edward his town and lordship of Monmouth with the consent of the King, who confirmed it by patent in 1257. [CURATOR'S NOTE: the following in italics has been disproved] John married Maud, daughter of David Lord of Huntingdon, by whom he had two daughters, Joan and Albreda; he died in 1274, leaving a second wife Katherine, "who had her dower assigned the next year out of his lands in Herefordshire." [CURATOR's NOTE: This archaic account may be collapsing the two half-brothers both named John, one of whom died c 1257 and the other who died by hanging in 1281] 3. Richard known as de Wyesham 4. Walter.

Curator's Note: The following lineage appears to be incorrect based upon current knowledge.

• The HUNTLEYs of Boxwell Court - Gloucestershire
• The history of the town and parish of Tetbury, in the county of Gloucester ...
• By Alfred Theophilus Lee
• pp 207-211
• HUNTLEY OF BOX WELL COURT.
• This family is one of the oldest in Gloucestershire.
• i. John de Monmouth, Baron of Monmouth, married, first, Cecily, daughter and co-heiress of William Walleran; and secondly, Agnes, daughter and co-heiress of Wm. de Musgros, and had issue,
• i. John de Monmouth, who married, first, Maud, daughter of David, Earl of Huntingdon, and had issue, a daughter;
• who married, secondly, Catherine .
• ii. Richard de Wyesham, ancestor of the Wyeshams. (ii does this means twins, Richard and James)
• ii. James de Monmouth.
• iii. Roaps or Robert.
• He died before 1274 (John de Monmouth, Baron of Monmouth)

Reference

• 1/ Endless Genealogies: The Huntley’s of Boxwell-court Gloucestershire: Richard de Wysham, he is the Ancestor of the de Wysham.
• Gilbert de Monmouth died about A.d. 1190, and was succeeded by his son John, who served as Sheriff for Herefordshire in 1231, and died in 1247, having, between the years 1230 and 1240, made further donations to the Priory. By his first wife Cecily, daughter of William Walerand, he left four daughters; and by his second, Agnes de Musgros, he had issue William, who died vita patris; John, who succeeded to the Estates; Richard de Wyesham; and Walter.
• http://endless-genealogies.blogspot.com.au/2011_08_01_archive.html

Reference:

• Source Medium: Internet Page: Subject: New Scottish Princess: Maud of Huntingdon, wife of John de Monmouth, of Monmouth, Monmouthshire From: Douglas Richardson Date: 6/29/2013 5:15 PM To: gen-medieval@rootsweb.com Text: Complete Peerage, 3 (1913): 169 (sub Chester) and 6 (1926): 647 (sub Huntingdon) both include accounts of John of Scotland, Earl of Chester and Huntingdon (died 1237), son and heir of David of Scotland, Earl of Huntingdon (died 1219) (brother of Kings Malcolm and William of Scotland). While Complete Peerage refers to him as "John le Scot," I find that during his lifetime, Earl John was known simply as John of Scotland, as indicated by many contemporary charters, including the items cited in the following citation:
• This document has a pedigree for John of Monmouth II, Maud (Matilda), his 1st wife she died childless and she is the daughter of John Huntingdon who is the Earl of Huntingdon. Catherine unknown she is the 2nd wife of John II of Monmouth:
• John of Scotland, Earl of Chester and Huntingdon (died 1237), son and heir of David of Scotland, Earl of Huntingdon (died 1219) (brother of Kings Malcolm and William of Scotland).
• Richard de Wyesham who was born de Monmouth, he was Lord of Wyesham in Monmouthshire Wales. Richard de Wyesham he is the Ancestor of our Wysham Family and he is a brother to John of Monmouth II:

Reference: .rootsweb

• http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&... Reference: .rootsweb
• http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johanson&...

Reference: Geneanet

• Richard (de Wyesham) De MONMOUTH
• http://gw.geneanet.org/belfast8?lang=en&iz=29&p=richard+de+wyesham+...

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• Other Holt Pedigree & Family Trees
• The earliest known person the lineage traces back to was a man named Hamo I, Viscount of Alet, France who was born between 963-10 23 AD. The following is a pedigree from him:
• Caradoc (or Caragod) de la Boussac (born in Boussac, Ille-et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France in 1035 AD)
• Baderon Lord of Monmouth (born in Dol, Bretagne, France in 1060 AD)
• William FitzBaderon, Baron of Monmouth (born in Monmouthshire, Wales around 1087 AD)
• Fitzwilliam Baron of Monmouth Baderon (born in Monmouthshire, Wales in 1100 AD)
• Gilbert FitzBaderon, Lord of Monmouth (born between 1105-1163 AD)
• John FitzGilbert, Baron of Monmouth (born in Monmouthshire, around 1182 AD) 'Richard, Lord of Wyesham (born in Monmouth Castle, Wales around 1223 AD)'
• Sir Ralph de Wysham (born in Wyesham Village, England in 1260 AD)
• Sir John de Wysham (born in 1288 AD)
• John de Wysham, Baron of Clifton (born in Woodmanton in 1320 AD)
• Sir Richard de Wysham (born in 1350 AD). His son, Richard Holt, also known as Wysham Holt was born in Holt, Worcestershire, England in 1370. He married Cristine Coldrey and had a son with her named Richard. This son Richard was born around 1420. He married Joan Collingbourne (Darrell) and had two issue: Christian (Berkeley) and Elizabeth (Pownde).
• Reference

https://coadb.com/surnames/holt-arms.html

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o Withenoc de (la Boussac) MONMOUTH ca 1030- o Rhiwallon de (la Boussac) MONMOUTH 1035-ca 1101 o Baderon de (la Boussac) MONMOUTH ca 1035-ca 1086 & ? ? 2. o Waleran De (SIR - Baron Monmouth) MONMOUTH ca 1150-1230 & ? ? o John (SIR) MONMOUTH 1170-1217 & ? ? 3. << o William de (Fitzbaderon) Hathaway (Lord Ruardean & St Briavels) MONMOUTH ca 1065- & Hawise (Hadvise) ? ca 1070- o Baderon De MONMOUTH 1105-1170 &/1140 Rohese "Rose" De CLARE 1111-1149 o Gilbert De (Baron) MONMOUTH 1140-1190 &/1180 Bertha (de Braose) BRUCE ca 1145- o John De (SIR - Lord of Monmouth) MONMOUTH ca 1180- &1202 Cecily Waleran FitzWalter 1182-1222 o Joan Margaret De MONMOUTH ca 1201-1247 &1222 Geoffrey (Son of Robert) De NEVILLE 1197-1242 o William De Monmouth o John De (SIR - Lord of Monmouth) MONMOUTH ca 1180- &1223 Agnes de ** MUSCEGROS ca 1190- Richard (de Wyesham) De MONMOUTH 1223/- o Walter De MONMOUTH 1223/- o John De (5th Lord of Monmouth) MONMOUTH 1225-1274 o William De (Lord Ruardean & St Briavels) HATHAWAY 1109-1173 & ? ?

• The meaning of De La De means OF and La means THE
• Lord Of Wyesham
• HELLO SHIRLEY
• Yesterday Sunday 18th February 2018 I found a manuscript housed in the
• NATIONAL LIBRARY OF WALES ABERYSTWYTH (ON LINE)
• This had been written by John Hobson Matthews in 1900, he was a historian living in Cardiff he gives absolute proof that the(Our) DE MONMOUTH family became the DE WYESHAM family,
• I quote

" 1257 THE DE MONMOUTH FAMILY WHO AT A LATER DATE HELD THE MANOR OF WYESHAM AND WHERE KNOWN AS THE DE WYESHAM’S. 

• THE DE WYESHAM'S, OR WISEHAMS CENTURIES LATER WERE SMALL GENTRY THEN YEOMEN THEN, PEASANTS IN THIS NEIGHBOURHOOD AND THE NAME IS NOT YET EXTINCT HERE unquote"
• Richard De Wyesham (de Monmouth)
• Meaning of Gentry
• “People of high social class, especially in the past”