Sir Alexander de Baliol, of Barnard Castle

John and Dervorguilla had issue:

Sir Alexander de Balliol, who died without issue before 13 November 1278. He married Eleanor de Genoure.[2]

Not to be confused with Sir Alexander de Baliol of Cavers, 1st Lord Balliol

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and yes People that want to argue that William Baliol le Scot is not Brother to John Baliol ll or son of John Baliol and Deverguilla should not be confusing them on purpose for the sake of an argument as it is possible that Both Alexanders where Twins being both born circa 1242 see bottom of Page 20 little hand pointing down top of 21 and 22 shows both Alexanders with little hand pointing up indicating to go to previous page for Parents https://archive.org/stream/memorialsoffamil00scot#page/20/mode/2up

William Balliol le Scot is Alexander's Brother mentioned here also mentions that Hugh died 1271

http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Pub/ArchCant/010%20-%201...

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Extracted from http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm

JOHN de Balliol, son of HUGH Balliol of Barnard Castle & his wife Cecilie de Fontaines (-before 27 Oct 1268). m (1233[845]) DEVORGUILLA of Galloway, daughter of ALAN Lord of Galloway & his second wife Margaret of Scotland (-28 Jan 1290, bur Sweetheart Abbey, Kirkland).

Their third son was:

3. (C) Sir Alexander Baliol of Barnard Castle (b c1242, dsp before 13.11.1278) m. Alianora de Genoure ALEXANDER Balliol (-before 13 Nov 1278). A charter dated Easter 1277 records a claim against "Alexander de Balliol brother and heir of Hugh de Balliol" for his brother’s debts[864]. He succeeded his brother in [1271] as Lord of Bywell, co. Northumberland and Barnard's Castle, co. Durham. A writ after the death of "Alexander de Balliolo", dated "13 Nov 6 Edw I", and later inquisitions name "John de Ball[iolo] his brother aged 30 and more…his…heir"[865]. m ELEONORE, daughter of --- (-1303). A charter dated 29 Nov 1278 records that the sheriff of Northumberland "is commanded to deliver to Alianora widow of Alexander de Balliol" land which she and her husband held "by gift of Alianora the queen mother"[866]. According to Burke’s Extinct Peerage, she was "Eléonore de Genoure"[867]. "Genoure" could be Geneva, but she has not been traced in the family of the comtes de Genève (see BURGUNDY KINGDOM NOBILITY). The reference to her having been granted land by Eléonore de Provence, queen of England, suggests that she was yet another of the relatives of the family of the comtes de Savoie who were brought to England by the queen’s nephew Pierre de Savoie. This speculation is supported by the charter dated 30 Dec 1278 under which King Edward I ordered that half of the proceeds from her husband’s estate be paid to "his cousin Alianora the widow…of Alexander de Balliol"[868]. The records of pleas taken before justices at Newcastle-upon-Tyne 20 Jan 1279 include the comment that "Alienora de Balliol is marriageable and her lands worth 100 marks yearly"[869].

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_de_Baliol

According to the Dictionary of National Biography: He was certainly not Alexander, son of Hugh Baliol of Barnard Castle, an elder brother of John Baliol the king, for this Alexander died in 1279 without issue, leaving a widow, Eleonora de Genovra (Rymer, Thomas, Fœdera i.10, 779).

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Extracted from link to Balliol College Archives & Manuscripts - The Founders of Balliol College and their Families

The Balliol family name was extinct in England and Scotland by 1400. John Balliol and Dervorguilla had four sons. Hugh, Alexander, and Alan all predeceased the youngest (John, who became King of Scots) and left no surviving issue. ...
Descent from the Founders is still often claimed but rarely set out in detail plausibly. The descents compiled by Shannon Dillon, John B Scott and Patrick M O'Shea are remarkable exceptions. Please note that these genealogies are posted solely as examples; Balliol College does not hold any records about any of the Balliol descendants listed, nor is the college able to validate or verify genealogies sent to us. [links on the site]
Claims which are made from time to time5 that names such as Bailey, Baillie, Bayley etc derive from Balliol are probably fanciful, but the College itself occasionally appears in informal sources 1500-1700 as "Bayley Colledge".
The claim6 that "William Balliol le Scot", supposed progenitor of the family Scott of Scot's Hall, was a brother of John Balliol King of Scots (and therefore a son of the College's Founder) is quite untenable,7 as this William was brother to Alexander Balliol of Cavers, Chamberlain of Scotland, who was a distant cousin of King John Balliol.

Two useful recent additions to scholarship:

• Marjorie Drexler. 'Dervorguilla of Galloway.' Transactions of the Dumfriesshire and Galloway Natural History and Antiquarian Society Vol.LXXIX (3rd series) 2005, pp.101-146. link
• Amanda Beam. The Balliol Dynasty: 1210-1364. John Donald, 2008.

Notes

• 5. W.M. Baillie, Pedigree of the Baliol or Baillie Family, 1880.
• 6. J.R. Scott, Memorials of the Family of Scott, of Scot's Hall, 1876, reprinted by the Iberian Publishing Co. 1992 and available from Willow Bend Books, Lovettsville, VA.
• 7. J.A.C. Vincent, The Genealogist, vi (1882), 1.

additional references

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_I_de_Balliol#Issue
  • 2. SCOTTISH ROYAL LINEAGE - THE HOUSE OF ATHOLL Part 2 of 6 Burkes Peerage. Retrieved 2007-11-01
• Reference: MyHeritage Family Trees - SmartCopy: Mar 4 2017, 7:06:49 UTC
• Reference: TNG Genealogy - SmartCopy: Mar 4 2017, 7:20:15 UTC