Sir John Taylor - Knight to King Edward III

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Birth 1327 Honestall, Kent, England

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Died 1377 Kent Co., England

Last Modified 29 Nov 2009

Family Margaret Welmote, *

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1. William Taylor, *, b. Bef 1377, Schodochurst, Kent Co., England Find all individuals with events at this location, d. 1422

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Birth 1327 Honestall, Kent, England Find all individuals with events at this location

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Died 1377 Kent Co., England Find all individuals with events at this location

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Family Margaret Welmote, *

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1. William Taylor, *, b. Bef 1377, Schodochurst, Kent Co., England Find all individuals with events at this location, d. 1422

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Children William TAYLOR b: Abt 1359 in Schodochurst, Kent, Eng Agnes TAYLOR b: 1352 in Hillmorton, England John TAYLOR b: Abt 1356 in Homestall, Schadochurst, Kent, Eng •Note: 1 John Taylor b: 1327 d: 1377 + John Taylor b: 1328 2 Thomas Taylor 2 Ellynor Ellyn Taylor b: 1351 2 Agnes Taylor b: 1352 d: 1446 2 John Taylor b: 1377 2 William Taylor b: 1429 d: 20 Aug 1493 + Margaret Wellmote b: 12 Jun 1544 d: 1630 2 Thomas Taylor 2 Agnes Taylor b: 1325 d: 1410 2 Allinor Taylor b: 1351 2 Agnes Taylor b: 1352 d: 1446 2 William Taylor b: 1377 d: 1422 3 John Taylor b: 1403 d: 1466 + Taylor 4 William Taylor b: 1429 d: 20 Aug 1493 + Joane Gilbard b: 1432 d: 1493 5 John Taylor b: 1450 d: 1503 + Sarah 6 Sarah Taylor b: 1481 d: 1551 + Margaret De Fairsted b: 1460 d: 1546 6 John Taylor b: 1478 d: 1550 + Thomasine Isaac b: 1484 d: 1551 + Susan Rowland b: 1482 d: 1582 6 William Taylor b: 1480 d: 1525 6 Sarah Taylor b: 1481 d: 1551 6 Joane Taylor b: 1482 5 John I Taylor b: 1451 d: 1525 5 John Taylor b: 1483 d: 1503 2 John Taylor b: 1377 •Note: From: Paul C. Reed<reedpcgen@aol.com > Subject: Re: Taylor Crest and Motto Date: 29 Dec 1999 04:08:27 GMT

I took just a few minutes to look at the Taylor family of Shadoxhurst, co. Kent.

No early ancestry is given in the visitation pedigrees (earlier than the Tudor period). Even Berry's Kent Pedigrees is careful. I did not see any long pedigree of the family in our edition (14 vols.) of Hasted's History of Kent, and in fact, it said little about them in the account of Shadoxhurst.

It is the account given in Burke's History of the Commoners and Landed Gentry that attempts to trace the family to the time of the Norman Conquest. There are several major disconnects in the claimed descent down to Pringle Taylor:

"Their ancestor was the Norman Baron Taillefer, who accompanied William the Conqueror in his invasion of Great Britain, and of whom Wace, the Anlgo-Norman poet, speaks, in describing the battle of Hastings, which took place on Saturday, the 14th October, 1066.

Taillefer qui moult bien chantoit Sur un cheval qui tot alloit Devant eux alloit chantant De Kalemagne et de Roland Et D'Oliver et des Vassals Qui moururent a Rouscevalles."

First, even if we admit to the historicity of a man nicknamed Taillefer, we have had discussions about the origin and development of English surnames on this group before. The English surname Taylor would not have derived from a nickname borne by a man in 1066.

Now about the motto. It has already been pointed out that the use of mottos was a fairly late development compared to the use of arms in England. It is possible that someone of the surname Taylor became aware of the poem about a man called Taillefer, and adopted a phrase from the poem as his motto. But the existence of the motto is certainly no proof of descent from the man in the poem!

Burke's continues:

"Hanger Taylefer, his descendant, held lands in the tenure of Ospringe, county of Kent, 39 Henry III. (A.D. 1256), from whom we come to"

Another disconnect. I have seen no evidence to show the historicity of Hanger Taylefer. Further, Ospringe is next to Faversham, about nine miles west-north-west of Canterbury. It is no where near Shadoxhurst, south of Ashford. One would need specific evidence before assuming any connection. So there is NO reason to believe a connection between someone named Hanger in 1256 and someone named John Taylor who settled in Shadoxhurst, or Shadochurst after 1334/5.

There was no one named Taylor in the hundred of Blackbourne (which includes Shadoxhurst) listed in the very detailed and comprehensive subsidy of Kent in1334/5, though the 'surname' Taylor was not uncommon.

I am willing to believe that there may be evidence of the following descent, given in Burke's Commoners:

1. John Taylor, of Homestall, Shadochurst "living in the time of Edward III" [1327-77].

2. William Taylor, of Shadochurst "living in the time of Richard II., Henry IV., and Henry V" [1377-1422], "co-heir in gavelkind with his brother John, as appears by several ancient deeds"

3. John Taylor, of Shadockhurst, "who died about the 5th year of Edward IV" [1466--might I point out the stretch of chronology between these first three generations].

4. William Taylor of Shadochurst "who purchased additional lands adjoining the Little Green, 15 Edward IV" [1476], and married "Joane, daughter of Henry Gilbard, of Shadochurst" his will proved 20 August 1493.

5. John Taylor, of Shadochurst, in the time of Richard III. and Henry VII." [1483-1509] "who purchased More Court in Ivie Church," and married Margaret de Fairsted, daughter and sole heir of Humphrey de Fairsted, of Shadochurst.

6a. William Taylor, of Shadochurst, d. 1525, leaving a daughter Joane. [Will Archdeaconry of Canterbury, v. 16, f. 278 (FHL #188,927)].

6b. John Taylor, of Shadochurst, married Thomasine Isaac, daughter of John Isaac of Shevington. His will was 1551 [Archd. Cant., v. 27, f. 226 (FHL

1. 188,933)] and hers [v. 27, f. 134).

7a. William Taylor, of Romney, d. 1571, father of John Taylor of Thurnham who married Anne Brockhill.

7b. John Taylor, second son of John, of Shadochurst, m. (1) Elizabeth Chute "and had four sons, John, Humphrey, Roger, (who all d. young), [and] George, of Criels Court, who removed into Sussex, and d. in 1633".

This is the next disconnect. It was a sloppy error to state that John Taylor and Elizabeth Chute had four sons, and then to try to squeeze in a FIFTH, Matthew Taylor.

I have seen no evidence to place Matthew Taylor in this family.

John Taylor (7b) married (2) Bridget Rucke, who is said to have left a will in 1619, by whom he had two sons,

8a. Thomas Taylor of Willsborough, "lord of the manor of Shadochurst," [d. 1611, father of Thomas Taylor, b. 1595, d. 1631, father of Sir Thomas Taylor, Baronet], and

8b. John Taylor, of Monfords, m. Anne Austen 1 •Note: The daughter Agnes Taylor crosses another line of the Taylor family tree. Agnes is an ancestor of Ruth O'Neal, wife of Benjamin Rowe. •Note: 1 John Taylor b: 1327 d: 1377 + Margaret Welmote b: 1330 2 Allinor Taylor b: 1353 2 John TAYLOR b: 1356 2 William Taylor b: 1377 d: 1422 3 John Taylor b: 1403 d: 1466 4 William Taylor b: 1429 d: 20 Aug 1493 + Joane Gilbard b: 1432 d: 1493 5 John Taylor b: 1450 d: 1503 + Margaret De Fairsted b: 1457 d: 1546 6 William Taylor b: 1480 d: Apr 1525 7 Joan Taylor b: 1515 d: 1551 6 John Taylor b: 1485 d: 1550 + Susan Rowland b: 1482 d: 1582 7 Rowland Taylor b: 6 Oct 1510 d: 5 Feb 1555 + Margaret Tyndale b: 1510 d: 9 Feb 1555 8 Susan Taylor b: 20 Jul 1535 8 Anne Taylor b: 1536 d: 1565 + Robert Palmer b: 1531 d: 1605 9 Robert Palmer b: 1562 9 Katherine Palmer b: 1565 8 Ellen TAYLOR b: 6 Aug 1537 d: 9 May 1579 8 Robert TAYLOR b: 11 Aug 1543 d: Feb 1555 8 Zachary Taylor b: 29 Nov 1545 8 George TAYLOR b: 17 Dec 1546 8 Thomas Taylor b: 19 Sep 1548 d: 1 Oct 1588 + Elizabeth Burwell b: 1552 d: 1576 9 Thomas J. Taylor b: 15 Mar 1574 d: 1618 + Margaret Swinderly b: 1578 d: 1672 10 Robert TAYLOR b: 7 Nov 1601 d: 1689 10 Margaret Ellen TAYLOR b: 10 Sep 1603 10 William TAYLOR b: 8 Jul 1605 d: 12 Jun 1687 10 John Taylor b: 10 Aug 1607 d: Jan 1652 + Elizabeth Nin b: 1610 d: 28 Feb 1659 10 Jane TAYLOR b: 25 Dec 1609 d: 1610 10 James TAYLOR b: 12 Feb 1610 d: 30 Apr 1698 10 Ann TAYLOR b: 1611 d: 1612 10 Richard TAYLOR b: 1615 d: 1616 8 Mary TAYLOR b: 1550 8 Nathaniel TAYLOR b: 1551 8 Elizabeth TAYLOR b: 1552 •Note: "A little about the TAYLOR Family History"

One of the first records of the family name TAYLOR was found in Kent, which is located in Scotland. The TAYLOR family traces their ancestral roots back to Norman origin before the year 1100. From here they branched and migrated, gaining prosperity as a notable family of Scotland and later other countries.

The TAYLOR family is distinguished as a Clan in it's own right with a extensive history. In ye old days a family could not qualify for Clan Status unless they had the proven ability to put 250 armed men ahorse within one hour to defend their clan, lands and properites. As well as providing a fighting men for their leige lord and king.

The Taylor family held Castles, Estates and Manors that you can still find in England. Branches formed throughout Europe, North America, and Australia.

The English suname Taylor is classified as being occupational in origin. It can be said that the most ancient and interesting of surnames are those derived from the occupation of the original bearer. Occupational names have provided what has been described by Scholars as "an inventory of the common trades of medieval Europe". Such names offer a glimpse into the daily lives of our ancestors. With regard to the surname Taylor, it is ultimately derived from the Anglo Norman French word "taillour", from the Old French" tailleor, tailleur", denoting a cutter of cloth, a tailor". Variants of this surname include Tayler, Tailer and tailyour. Records of this surname in England date back to the eleventh century when one Walter Taylur appears in the Archaeologia Cantiana of 1180. In 1182 one William Le Taillur is listed in the Pipe Rolls of Somerset and John Le Talliur is mentioned in the Assize Rolls of Lincolnshire in 1202. In 1273 the Hundred Rolls contain references to Henry Le Taluir of Co. Norfolk, Cecil Le Tayllour of Cambridgeshire, Roger Le Taylur of Lincolnshire and Richard Le Taylor of Northhamptonshire. Notable bearers of this surname include Brook Taylor {1685-1731}, the English mathematician and Ann Taylor {1782-1866} and her sister Jane {1783- 1823}, English writers of children verses. This suname was intro- duced to the United States at an early date. The "Passenger and Immigration Lists Index" record that one Mrs. Taylor arrived in Virginia in 1623 and arrival of one Abraham Taylor is recorded in the same state in 1654

http://www.geocities.com/snooky_first/Taylor.html •Note: A substantial dispute exists as to the ancestors of John Taylor b: 1327. On group claims these are the ancestors:

1 Hanger Taylefer b: 1256 2 Baron Taylefer b: 1280 3 Hanzar Taylefer b: 1305 4 John Taylor b: BEF 1327 d: 1377

The above is the predominant view. Others disagree.

•Note: 1. John Taylor, of Homestall, Shadochurst "living in the time of Edward III" [1327-77

It is the account given in Burke's History of the Commoners and Landed Gentry

•Note: Taylor family references: Taylor Family References (supplied by Gladys Morris Tate) Armstrong, Zella. Notable Southern Families, Vols. I and II. Pp. 163-168. The Taylor Family in Virginia by Olive Todd Walker. Brewer, Mary Taylor. From Log Cabins to the White House. A History of the Taylor Family. Burke's American Families with British Ancestry, pp. 2936-2937. Geneal. Publ. Co., Inc., Baltimore, 1983. Colonial Families of the Southern States of America. Taylor Family. Pp. 506-512. Green. Culpeper County, Virginia. p. 74. Haden. Virginia Genealogies, pp. 671-684. Meade, Bishop William. Old Churches, Ministers, etc. Families of Virginia, p. 98. Old New Kent County, Some Accounts of Gentle Birth and their Ancestors. Vol. I, pp. 271, 273, 290. Vol. II, pp. 124, 235, 236. Ray, Worth S. 1980. Tennessee Cousins. A History of Tennessee People. Geneal. Publ. Co., Baltimore, p. 574. Tyler, Lyon G. Encyclopedia of Virginia Biography, Vol. I. p. 337. Virginia Magazine of History and Biography. 1981. Genealogies of Virginia Families,R-Z, Vol. V., Taylor Family Bible Record, Contributed by Mr. J. D. Tillman, Jr., Meridian, Miss., pp. 417-419

•Note: "Of Sceptred Race," By Annah Walker (Robinson) Watson Search results for '"john taylor"' Page 109 ... and that his grandson, John Taylor, was Lord of the Manor of ... Page 234 JAMES LEWIS, who married Elizabeth Taylor, born July 9, 1735, daughter of John Taylor and Catherine Pendleton, daughter of Philip Pendleton and his wife, ... Page 236 ANNE LEWIS, married Edmund Taylor, son of John Taylor and his wife, Catherine Pendleton. This John Taylor was a son of James Taylor, who came to Virginia ...

http://books.google.com/books?id=3O1owaKOPtMC&pg=RA3-PA109&vq=%22jo... 2 •Note: "Of Sceptred Race," By Annah Walker (Robinson) Watson Page 109 - 110: ... And after many stanzas states in closing that William, after the battle of Hastings, knowing that Taillifer had been slain, called out:

Drink to Taillefer, all I His heirs shall have a whole country, fee-simple deeded. And a motto, — Consequitur quodcunque petit."

A descendant of this Taliaferro is said to have received vast estates and to have been the ancestor of the Earls of Pennington (these said to be the ancestors of the Tay- lors). In the time of Charles the Bold, king of France, a Taliaferro was created Duke of Angouleme, and Isobel Taliaferro, or Taillefer, daughter of Count d 'Angouleme, married King John of England.

This name, which after several changes became Talia- ferro, is the family name of the Earls of Pennington, and it is claimed that Hanger Taillefer (who lived in the time of Henry the Third, and whose estates were in Kent), had a son William, who was called Taylor of Shado- churst," and that his grandson, John Taylor, was Lord of the Manor of Shadochurst.

These Taylors are said to be, "of Pennington," and Pennington is only twenty miles from Carlisle, the port from which James Taylor the First, sailed to America. The Taylor arms, the crest of which appears upon the seal ring mentioned above, with the motto, are those

which also belong to the Earls of Pennington. Recent investigations in England have resulted in satisfying those most interested that the Pennington and Taylor origin is identical. 3 •Note: ILtncagr.

The name of this family has not been 'vm¡itfd from the corruption in spelling, kich ii t.i be traced in the records of many other family name*.

Thfir ancestor was the Norman Baron TiilUrfer, who accompanied William the ' .""/un-or in his invasion of Great Britain, -ad of whom Wace, the Anglo-Norman I-1»1!, ¿peaks, in describing the battle of Hi.-tiní», which took place on Saturday, '¡t Huí October, 1066.

I'aillefer qui moult bien chantoit Sur un cheval qui tot alluit LVruit eux alloit chautaiit

De Kalemas^ne et de Roland Et D'Oliver et des Vassals Qui moururent a Rouscevalles.

11 \\li.u Taylefer, his descendant, held lands in the tenure of Ospringe, county of Kent, 39 Henry III. (A.D. 1256), from whom we come to

John Taylor, of the Homestall, in Shai dochurst, county of Kent, living in the time of Edward III. ; he left sons,

William, of whom presently. John, who by virtue of the custom of gavelkind had divers lands in Shadochurst, Great Chart, and Kings- north, which he left to his son,

Thomas, of Great Chart. The elder son,

William Taylor, of Shadochurst, living in the time of Richard II., Henry IV., and Henry V., co-heir in gavelkind with his brother John, as appears by several ancient deeds, was succeeded by his son,

John Tayloii, of Shadochurst, who died about the 6th year of Edward IV., and was .«. by his son,

William Taylor, of Shadochurst, who purchased additional lands adjoining the Little Green, 15 Edward IV. He m. Joane, daughterof Henry Gilbard, of Shadochurst ; his will was proved 20th August, 1493, and he was >. by his son,

John Taylor, of Shadochurst, in the time of Richard III. and Henry VII., who purchased More Court in Ivie Church ; he m. Margaret, daughter and sole heir of Humphry de Fairsted, of Shadochurst, (who bore for arms, argent a chevron ermine between three greyhounds courant or), by whom he left issue,

William, of Shadochurst, son and heir, who d. 16 Henry VIII.(1520), leaving a daughter,

Jonne, who m. Robert Lucy, of Woodchurcb.

John, of whom presently. Joane, m. William Dewer, about 22

Hemiy VIII. The second son,

John Taylor, of Shadockurst, m. Thomasiiie, daughter of John Isaac, of Seving- ton, and by her, who d. 1551, he left at his decease 5 Edward VI. (1560), two sons and three daughters, viz 4
•Note: THE ANCIENT HISTORY OF THE TAYLOR SURNAME

The ancient chronicles of Scotland reveal the early records of the name TAYLOR as a Norman surname which ranks as one of the oldest. The history of the name is finely interwoven into the Scottish plaid which is an intrinsic tapestry which is the panorama of the history of Scotland. Skilled historical analysts have searched ancient manuscripts such as the Domesday Book (compilled in 1086 by William the Conqueror), the Ragman Rolls, the Wace Poem, the Honour Roll of the Battel Abbey, The Curia Regis, Pipe Rolls, the Falaise Roll, tax records, baptismal, familly genealogis, local parish and church records shows the first record of the name TAYLOR was in Kent, England where they were granted lands by King William for their assistance at the Battle of Hastings in 1066 A.D.. Many Scottish Clans and families trace their origins to Normandy. Your name, TAYLOR, occurred in many references, from time to time, including TAYLOR, TAYLOUR, TAYLUR, TAILLER, TAILLEFER, TELLIER,MCKYNTAILUER and these changes in spelling occurred, even between father and son. Scribes recorded and spelled the name as it sounded, phonetically. It was not unlikely that a person would be born with one spelling, married with another, and buried with another. All three spellings related to the same person. Sometimes preferences for different spelling variations either came from a division of the family, or, for religious reasons, or sometimes nationalistic reasons. Believed to be descended from the Norman race, the Normans were frequently but mistskenly assumed to be French origin. They were more accurately of Viking origin. The Vikings landed in the Orkneys and Northern Scotland about the year 870 A.D., under their King, Stirgud the Stout. Thorfinn Rollo, his descendant landed in northern France about the year 940 A.D. The French King, Charles the Simple, after Rollo laid siege to Paris, finally conceded defeat and granted northern France to Rollo. Rollo became the first Duke of Normandy, the territory of the north men. Rollo married Charles' daughter and became a convert to Christianity. Duke William who invaded and defeated England in 1066, was descended from the first Duke Rollo of Normandy. By 1070, the Norman nobles in the north of England were in rebellion. Duke William took an army north and laid waste most of the northern counties. King Malcom Canmore of Scotland invited many of the displaced nobles to his court and gave them grants of land. About 1130, the Earl of Huntingdon, heir to the Scottish throne, later to become King David of Scotland also offered land to his Norman friends in England, particularly in Lincolnshire, Norfolk, Suffolk and the lower midlands. The surname TAYLOR emerged as a notable Scottish family name in the county of Selkirk in 1292, and Brice le Taylor was a Scottish Commander who was taken prisoner by the English in Dunbar Castle in 1296. Eleven Taylors rendered homage to King Edward I of England during his brief conquest of Scotland. They heild lands in Forfar, Cessworth, Cunningham, Lanark, and Stirling in Scotland. They were apparently connected with the Clan Cameron Warrior named "The Black Tailor with the axe", around the seventeenth century. Meanwhile in England the Taylor family prospered acquiring estates in Pennington, Whitchurch, in Shropshire, Essex, and other estates in Kent. Notable amungst the family at this time was Sir Hubert Taylor aid-de-camp to the King in 1779. The surname TAYLOR contributed much to the affairs of England and Scotland. Later, in the 16th, 17th, and 18th centuries Scotland was ravaged by religious and political conflict. The Monarchy, the Church and Parliament fought for supremacy. During these times of tyranny the exodus began. Highlanders joined the Highland Regiments. Lowlanders were shipped to Ireland. Families sought favourable alliances, with powerful clans, either by marriage or contract. Choosing the wrong loyalty sould be disastrous to a family name, and their viable future. Since a succession of monarchs had tried to subdue Ireland, it was very fashionable to become loyal th that cause. The settlers in Ireland became known as the 'Adventurers for land in Ireland'. They 'undertook' to keep the protestant faith, both within their family and their workers. In Ireland they settled in the counties of Antrim, Down, and Londonderry. The democratic freedom of the New World attracted many. They sailed Aboard the fleet of sailing ships known as the "White Sails". The stormy Atlantic, small pox, dysentery, cholera and typhoid took its toll on the settlers and many of the overcrowded ships arrived with only 60 or 70% of their passenger list. In North American, migrants who could be considered a kinsman of the family name TAYLOR, or variable spellings of that same family name included James Taylor from Dumfries, Scotland who settled in Virginia in the 1600's. His great grandson, Zachary Taylor was a U.S. President and his granddaughter was Francis Taylor Madison grandmother of President Madison of the United States; Abram Taylor settled in Virginia in 1664. The Taylors also settled in Georgia, Pennsylvania, Jamaica, Massachusetts, Barbados, and New York, and are too numerous to mention here. Settlers joined the wagon trains westward. During the War of Indenpendence some declared their loyalty to the Crown and moved into Canada and became known as the United Empire Loyalists. Meanwhile, the family name was active in the social stream. There were many notables of this name TAYLOR; Zachary Taylor, U.S. President; Baron Taylor of Harlow; Sir Charles Taylor; Sir George Taylor; and many more. In the process of researching this distinguished family name we also traced the most ancient grant of Arms from the branches which developed their own Arms. The most ancient grant of a Coat of Arms found was; Blue background with a silver Lion and a red sash of honour charged with three sea shells. The Crest is; A black Lion. The ancient family motto for this distinguished name is; "Loyal unto Death 5
Sources: 1.Title: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/1999-12/09464... 2.Title: http://books.google.com/books?id=3O1owaKOPtMC&pg=RA3-PA109&vq=%22jo... 3.Title: http://books.google.com/books?id=3O1owaKOPtMC&pg=RA3-PA109&vq=%22jo... 4.Author: John Burke Title: A genealogical and heraldic history of the commoners of Great Britain and Ireland 5.Title: http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=74...

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Birth 1327 Honestall, Kent, England

Gender Male

Died 1377 Kent Co., England

Last Modified 29 Nov 2009

Family Margaret Welmote, *

Children

   1. William Taylor, *, b. Bef 1377, Schodochurst, Kent Co., England Find all individuals with events at this location, d. 1422