Robert Ferrers of Wem

Robert Ferrers of Wem (c. 1373 – bef. 29 November 1396). He was born in Willisham, Suffolk.

Robert was the son of Baron Sir Robert Ferrers of Wem and Elizabeth Boteler, 4th Baroness Boteler of Wem, who died in June 1411,[1] and paternal grandson of Robert de Ferrers, 3rd Baron Ferrers of Chartley.[2]
His father had been summoned to Parliament in 1375 as Robert Ferrers of Wem. Under modern peerage doctrine the manner in which he was named in this summons would be viewed as creating a novel peerage, the Barons Ferrers of Wem, to which his son Robert, who was never himself summoned, would be viewed to have succeeded as 2nd Baron on his father's death in 1380.

However, in Complete Peerage, Vicary Gibbs argues that contemporary practice was not so regimented as it would become, and that the elder Robert had clearly been summoned simply as possessor, jure uxoris, of the same barony previously held by his father-in-law William, Baron Boteler of Wem. His mother's 3rd husband, Sir Thomas Molinton, would in turn in his will style himself 'Lord of Wemme', jure uxoris, though he was never summoned. Were it the case that his father was summoned only jure uxoris, then Elizabeth's son Robert Ferrers, who was never himself summoned, would not have been a peer as he predeceased his mother.

Following this Robert's death in 1396 and of his mother in 1411, the Barony Boteler of Wem and any Barony Ferrers that might be held to have been created by the 1375 summons would have gone into abeyance between his two daughters.[1]

Family

Robert Ferrers married Joan Beaufort in 1391 at Beaufort-en-Vallée, Anjou. They had two daughters:[1]

1. Elizabeth (1393–1434). She is buried at Black Friars Church, York. She married John de Greystoke, 4th Baron Greystoke (1389–1436) on 28 October 1407 in Greystoke Castle, Greystoke, Cumberland, and had issue.
2. Mary or Margery (1394 – 25 January 1457/1458). She married her stepbrother, Sir Ralph Neville, son of Ralph Neville, 1st Earl of Westmoreland, before 1411 in Oversley, Warwickshire and had issue.

References

1. Cokayne, George Edward (1912). Gibbs, Vicary (ed.). The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct or dormant. Vol. 2. London: The St. Catherine Press. pp. 232–233.
2. Cokayne, George Edward (1916). Gibbs, Vicary; Doubleday, H. Arthur (eds.). The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct or dormant. Vol. 4. London: The St. Catherine Press. p. chart following 320.

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Robert Ferrers, 2nd Baron Ferrers of Wem (c. 1373 – bef. 29 November 1396). He was born in Willisham, Suffolk.

Robert was the son of Sir Robert Ferrers, 1st Baron Ferrers of Wem (created by Writ of Summons dated December 28, 1375[1]), and Elizabeth Boteler, 4th Baroness Boteler of Wem, who died in June 1411, and paternal grandson of Robert de Ferrers, 2nd Baron Ferrers of Chartley and Agnes or Aeneas de Bohun. Upon the death of his father in December 1380, he became Baron Boteler of Wem jure matris (he predeceased his mother, so never actually became the 5th baron; after his death, his mother's 3rd husband assumed this title jure uxoris[2]%29 as well as 2nd Baron Ferrers of Wem. He had no son but two daughters. Female siblings being co-heiresses in England, both baronies are still abeyant between the descendants of these two sisters.[2]

Robert Ferrers married Joan Beaufort in 1391 at Beaufort-en-Vallée, Anjou. They had two daughters:

• Elizabeth (1393 – 1434). She is buried at Black Friars Church, York. She married John de Greystoke, 4th Baron Greystoke (1389 – 1436) on 28 October 1407 in Greystoke Castle, Greystoke, Cumberland, and had issue. They had 12 children.[3] One of their daughters, Anne married Sir Ralph Bigod, descendant of Hugh Bigod (Justiciar)[4] and his wife Joan de Stuteville (daughter of Dervorguilla I of Galloway, daughter of Lochlann of Galloway), and became ancestress of George Gascoigne, poet, and Zachary Taylor,[5] 12th president of the U.S.A.
• Mary or Margery (1394 – 25 January 1457/1458). She married her stepbrother, Sir Ralph Neville, son of Ralph Neville, 1st Earl of Westmoreland, c. 1413 in Oversley, Warwickshire and had issue. Her granddaughter Joan was the mother of Sir William Gascoigne (c. 1450 – 1486) who married Margaret Percy and became ancestor of many notable persons including Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother, Diana, Princess of Wales, Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge, George Washington and William Howard Taft (see entry on Margaret Percy for further details).

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Ferrers,_5th_Baron_Boteler_of_Wem

• HIS GRANDFATHER'S Robert de Ferrers, 2nd Baron Ferrers of Chartley WIKIPEDIA BIO HAS NO MENTION OF Agnes or Aeneas de Bohun, LISTING HIS WIVES AS MARGARET & JOAN de la MOTE. _____________________
• Sir Robert de Ferrers, 3rd Lord Ferrers (of Wem)1
• M, #107401, b. circa 1373, d. before 29 November 1396
• Last Edited=12 May 2007
• Consanguinity Index=0.06%
• Sir Robert de Ferrers, 3rd Lord Ferrers (of Wem) was born circa 1373 at Willisham, Suffolk, England.2 He was the son of Robert Ferrers, 2nd Lord Ferrers (of Wem) and Elizabeth le Botiler, Baroness le Botiller.3 He married Lady Joan de Beaufort, daughter of John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster and Katherine Roët, in 1391 at Château de Beaufort, Meuse-et-Loire, Anjou, France.2 He died before 29 November 1396.1 He was also reported to have died in 1380/81.4
• He gained the title of 3rd Lord Ferrers, of Wem.1 As a result of his marriage, Sir Robert de Ferrers, 3rd Lord Ferrers (of Wem) was styled as Lord le Botiller on 28 December 1375.4
• Children of Sir Robert de Ferrers, 3rd Lord Ferrers (of Wem) and Lady Joan de Beaufort
  • 1.Elizabeth Ferrers3 b. c 1378, d. c 1434
  • 2.Mary Ferrers+3 b. c 1379, d. 25 Jan 1458
• Citations
• 1.[S11] Alison Weir, Britain's Royal Families: The Complete Genealogy (London, U.K.: The Bodley Head, 1999), page 108. Hereinafter cited as Britain's Royal Families.
• 2.[S125] Richard Glanville-Brown, online <e-mail address>, Richard Glanville-Brown (RR 2, Milton, Ontario, Canada), downloaded 17 August 2005.
• 3.[S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume II, page 233. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.
• 4.[S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume II, page 232.
• From: http://www.thepeerage.com/p10741.htm#i107401 ________________
• Sir Robert de Ferrers, 2nd Lord Ferrers of Wem1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17
• M, #12871, b. circa 1372, d. before 29 November 1396
• Father Sir Robert de Ferrers, 1st Baron Ferrers of Wemme18,19,20,21 b. c 1350, d. 31 Dec 1380
• Mother Elizabeth le Botiller19,18,20,21 b. c 1345, d. 19 Jun 1411
• Sir Robert de Ferrers, 2nd Lord Ferrers of Wem was born circa 1372 at of Wemme, Hinstock, & Loppington, Shropshire, England; Age 8 in 1380.2,3,11,12 He married Joan Beaufort, daughter of Sir John 'of Gaunt' Plantagenet, 1st Duke of Lancaster, King of Castile and Leon, Earl of Derby, Lincoln, Leicester, & Richmond and Katherine Roet, before 30 September 1390; They had 2 daughters (Elizabeth, wife of Sir John, 4th Lord Greystoke; & Mary, wife of Sir Ralph Neville).2,22,3,6,7,8,10,11,12,15,16 Sir Robert de Ferrers, 2nd Lord Ferrers of Wem died before 29 November 1396 at of Oversley, Warwickshire, England.2,3,11,12
• Family Joan Beaufort b. c 1379, d. 13 Nov 1440
• Children
  • Elizabeth Ferrers+23,3,4,5,7,9,11,13,14,16,17 b. c 1393, d. 1434
  • Mary Ferrers+2,24,3,6,11,15 b. c 1394, d. 25 Jan 1458
• Citations
• 1.[S3618] Unknown author, The Complete Peerage, by Cokayne, Vol. II, p. 233, Vol. VI, p. 196; Magna Charta Sureties, 1215, 4th Ed., by F. L. Weis, p. 115, 116.
• 2.[S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 134-135.
• 3.[S15] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, p. 878.
• 4.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. I, p. 51.
• 5.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. II, p. 127.
• 6.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. II, p. 244.
• 7.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. II, p. 283.
• 8.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. II, p. 543.
• 9.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 4.
• 10.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 246-247.
• 11.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. IV, p. 313.
• 12.[S6] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: 2nd Edition, Vol. I, p. 334.
• 13.[S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. I, p. 167.
• 14.[S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. II, p. 527.
• 15.[S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. III, p. 76-77.
• 16.[S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. III, p. 138.
• 17.[S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. III, p. 540-541.
• 18.[S15] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, p. 877-878.
• 19.[S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 134.
• 20.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. IV, p. 312.
• 21.[S6] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: 2nd Edition, Vol. I, p. 333.
• 22.[S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 540-544.
• 23.[S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 363.
• 24.[S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 348.
• From: http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p429.htm#i... ____________________
• Robert FERRERS (1º B. Ferrers of Oversley)
• Born: ABT 1373/1375, Chartley, Staffordshire, England
• Died: BEF 29 Nov 1396
• Father: Robert De FERRERS (Sir)
• Mother: Elizabeth BUTLER
• Married: Joan BEAUFORT (C. Westmoreland) ABT 1392, Chateau De Beauf, Meurthe-et-Mosel, France
• Children:
  • 1. Elizabeth FERRERS
  • 2. Mary FERRERS (B. Ferrers of Oversley)
• From: http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/FERRERS.htm#Robert FERRERS (1º B. Ferrers of Oversley) _________________
• Sir Robert de Ferrers
• Birth: 1373 Willisham, Suffolk, England
• Death: Nov. 29, 1396 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England
• 3rd Lord of Ferrers
• Family links:
• Parents:
• Robert de Ferrers (1350 - 1380)
• Elizabeth de Boteler Molington (____ - 1411)
• Spouse:
• Joan Beaufort Neville (1375 - 1440)
• Children:
  • Mary de Ferrers de Neville (1394 - 1458)*
• Burial: Unknown
• Find A Grave Memorial# 143702218
• From: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=143702218 ________________
• Ancestral roots of certain American colonists who came to America before ... By Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, Kaleen E. Pg.71
• http://books.google.com/books?id=3F9nG8aFJ7MC&pg=PA71&lpg=PA71&dq=R...
• 32. Sir Robert de Ferrers (61-31), of Chartley, d. 28 Aug. 1350; m. (2) Joan de la Mote, d. London, 29 Jun. 1375, prob. wid. of Edmund de la Mote (CP V:312 and note b, 320 chart).
• 33. Sir Robert de Ferrers, of Willisham, b. abt. 1350, d. abt. 31 Dec. 1380; m. by lic. 27 Sept. 1369, Elizabeth le Botiller (or Butler) (77-34), of Wem and Oversley.
• 34. Sir Robert de Ferrers, age 8 in 1380, d. bef. 29 Nov. 1396, m. Joan Beaufort d. Howden, 13 Nov. 1440, dau. of John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster. __________________
• Links
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_de_Ferrers,_2nd_Baron_Ferrers_...
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Beaufort,_Countess_of_Westmorland
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_Gaunt

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Sir Robert de Ferrers, 3rd Lord Ferrers (of Wem) was born circa 1373 at Willisham, Suffolk, England.3 He was the son of Robert Ferrers, 2nd Lord Ferrers (of Wem) and Elizabeth le Botiler, Baroness le Botiller.2 He married Lady Joan de Beaufort, daughter of John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster and Katherine Roët, in 1391 at Château de Beaufort, Meuse-et-Loire, Anjou, France.3 He died before 29 November 1396.1 He was also reported to have died in 1380/81.4

Sir Robert de Ferrers, 3rd Lord Ferrers (of Wem) gained the title of 3rd Lord Ferrers, of Wem.1 As a result of his marriage, Sir Robert de Ferrers, 3rd Lord Ferrers (of Wem) was styled as Lord le Botiller on 28 December 1375.4 Children of Sir Robert de Ferrers, 3rd Lord Ferrers (of Wem) and Lady Joan de Beaufort

* * Elizabeth Ferrers2 b. c 1378, d. c 1434

• * Mary Ferrers+2 b. c 1379, d. 25 Jan 1458

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