Sir Roger Arnold, of Llanthony

Sir Thomas Arnold Was not his son, and he was not the ancestor of William Arnold

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See Peter Bartrum, https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000173395392900 (June 21, 2022; Anne Brannen, curator)

from: Thayer and Burton Ancestry, p. 18-19

ROGER ARNOLD according to the pedigree recorded in the College of Arms in England, descended from Ynir, King of Gwentland, who flourished in the 12th Century and who was paternally descended from Ynir, second son of Cadwalader, last king of the Britons. King Cadwalader built Abergavenny, in Monmouthshire, and the castle was afterward rebuilt by Hamlet, son of the duke of Balladon of France. Portions of the wall still remain. Cadwalader, by one account, died at Rome in 688. Somerby's genealogical researches in England shows that Ynir, King of Gwentland, by his wife, Nesta, daughter of Jestin ap Gurgan, King of Glamorgan, had a son Meiric. The descent, somewhat abbreviated, is as follows: Meric's son was Ynir Vichan, whose son was Carador ap Ynir Vichan, whose son was Dyfnwall ap Carador, whose son was Systyl ap Dyfnwall, whose son was Arthur ap Syssylth, whose son was Meiric ap Arthur, whose son was Gwillim ap Meiric, whose son was Arnholt ap Gwillim, whose son was Arnholt ap Arnholt Vychan, whose son was Roger Arnold of Llanthony in Monmouthshire, the first of the family name to adopt a surname.

ROGER ARNOLD married Joan, daughter of Sir thomas Gamage, Knight, Lord of Coytey.

Caution: parts of this descent are known to be fraudulent. See https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Arnholt-13

their son was Thomas, who succeeded to Llanthony and other estates. He married Agnes, daughter of Sir Richard Warnstead, Knight. their second son was Richard, who removed to Somersetshire and resided in the parish of Street. He married Emmote, daughter and heir of Pearse Young, of Damerham, in Wiltshire, by whom he had three sons. One of them, Richard, removed to Dorsetshire and became seated at Bagbere, parish of Middleton, otherwise called Milton Abbas. His manor house at Bagbere was standing until 1870, when it was demolished. He was twice married and died in 1595. thomas, his second son, lived for a time at Melcombe Horsey, from which place he removed to Cheslebourne and seated himself on an estate previously belonging to his father. His first wife was Alice, daughter of John Gulley, parish of Tolpuddle. By his second wife he had thomas, born April 18, 1599. Thus has the family in England been traced back seventeen generations.

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Photo: Bob in front of Lanthony, Wales sign where Roger lived. Approx. Date of photo: May 2007. Historical Event: After little over a month at sea, Columbus' ships sighted land in what is now known as the Bahamas. The ship's recorder entered in his journal on Thursday, October 11, 1492, the following:

At two hours after midnight the land was sighted at a distance of two leagues. They shortened sail, and lay by under the mainsail without the bonnets. The vessels were hove to, waiting for daylight; and on Friday they arrived at a small island of the Lucayos, called, in the language of the Indians, Guanahani. Presently they saw naked people. The Admiral [Columbus] went on shore in the armed boat, and Martin Alonso Pinzon, and Vicente Yañez, his brother, who was captain of the Niña. The Admiral took the royal standard, and the captains went with two banners of the green cross, which the Admiral took in all the ships as a sign, with an F and a Y and a crown over each letter, one on one side of the cross and the other on the other. Having landed, they saw trees very green, and much water, and fruits of divers kinds. The Admiral called to the two captains, and to the others who leaped on shore, and to Rodrigo Escovedo, secretary of the whole fleet, and to Rodrigo Sanchez of Segovia, and said that they should bear faithful testimony that he, in presence of all, had taken, as he now took, possession of the said island for the king and for the queen, his Lords, making the declarations that are required, as is more largely set forth in the testimonies which were then made in writing.

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According to the pedigree for the Arnold family recorded in the College of Arms, in England, Roger was descended from Ynir, King of Gwentland, who flourished in the 12th century and who was paternally descended from Ynir, second son of Cadwalader, last King of the Britons.

King Cadwalader built Abergavenny, in Monmouthshire, and the castle was afterwards rebuilt by Hamlet, son of the Duke of Balladon of France. Portions of the wall still remain. Cadwalader, by one account, died at Rome in 688.

Somerby's genealogical researches in England shows that Ynir, King of Gwentland, by his wife Nesta, daughter of Jestin ap Gurgan, King of Glamorgan, had a son Meiric.

The descent, somewhat abbreviated, is as follows: Meiric's son was Ynir Vichan, whose son was Carador ap Ynir Vichan, whose son was Dyfnwall ap Carador, whose son was Systyl ap Dyfnwall, whose son was Arthur ap Syssylth, whose son was Meiric ap Arthur, whose son was Gwillim ap Meiric, whose son was Arnholt ap Gwillim, whose son was Arnholt ap Arnholt Vychan, whose son was Roger Arnold of Llanthony in Monmouthshire, the first of the family name to adopt a surname.

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This lineage extends back for centuries (to at least the 1200s) with Welsh-named people.

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See Peter Bartrum, http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/6255/GAMAGE%2... (February 21, 2018; Anne Brannen, curator)

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From http://www.dustyhills.net/aqwg157.htm#5233 :

---ROGER ARNOLD was born about 1390 at Llanthony, Monmouthshire, Wales. He married Joan Gammage about 1427. She the daughter of Sir Thomas Gammage, Knight, Lord of Coytey. Roger Arnold was made heir of the estate of Sir Thomas. The Castle at Llys-Tal-y-Bont in Glamorganshire passed to Roger from his mother, who had inherited it from her father Madoc ap Einon ap Thomas Rhun. Issue of Roger and Joan (Gammage) Arnold is:

i. THOMAS ARNOLD, b. at Llanthony, Monmouthshire, Wales. (others unknown)

This branch of the ancient Arnold family of New England, England and Wales, traces, according to a pedigree recorded in the College of Arms, to Ynir, King of Gwentland, who reigned in Wales about the middle of the twelfth century. Ynir was the second son of Cadwalader, King of the Britons, and from this source sprang Roger Arnold of the twelfth generation, the first to adopt the surname Arnold.

From Roger in direct descent came Thomas and William Arnold [NO], who came to New England, and were the progenitors of the distinguished Arnold family of Rhode Island.

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See Peter Bartrum, https://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/4948/cydifor... (January 23, 2020; Anne Brannen, curator)