wife of Gunceline de Badlesmere

Not the same as Joan FitzBernard

Guncelin de Badlesmere, Justice of Chester and Cheshire, is thought to be the son of Giles [Bartholomew] who died in 1248 and the grandson of Guncelin [William] and a Miss Peyferer, the daughter of Fulk. He was born about 1232, other sources say 1244.

We don’t know his wife. She was not Joan FitzBernard, daughter of Ralph FitzBarnard, of Kingsdowne

They had two children:

• Bartholomew Badlesmere, married Margaret de Clare
• Maud, wife of Sir Robert de Burghersh

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https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/87327159/joan-fitzbernard

Sorry, Gunceline de Badlesmere did not marry Joan FitzBernard

CP volume in which FitzBernard appears, p.403, note b: "Genealogists have ignored the fine of 6 Edw. II altogether and assert that these persons were the heirs of line to JohnFitzBernard, as descended from one Margaret, whom they variously describe as daughter or as aunt of Thomas FitzBernard, and mother of Bartholomew [it would appear that Joan is substituted for Margaret] de Badlesmere. The first statement, which is the older version, is clearly impossible; the other appears to be merely an arbitrary alteration of it, to make it possible: at all events, no evidence is produced. Nor is anything known about the wife of Guncelin, father of Bartholomew de Badlesmere. Moreover, it is not likely that Thomas, by a fine, would have given the reversion of the manor to the actual reversioner. What he did was to entail the manor on the heirs of his body, giving his wife a life interest, and then sell the manor to Bartholomew, knowing that his wife could recover it after his death: which she did, but not from Bartholomew, who had already lost the manor---and his life." [Ref: Kay Allan, A.G. message to Gen-Medieval date unk: part of a reply to her previous message included by Alan B. Wilson 17 Sep 1997 message to Gen-Medieval] Note: though not stated the CP vol. containing the footnote excerpted is V...CH"

References

• "Ancestral roots of certain American colonists who came to America before 1700", Frederick Lewis Weis, 1992, seventh edition. The earlier editions were called: "Ancestral roots of sixty colonists who came to New England 1623-1650"
• "The Complete Peerage", Cokayne and others.(first edition) (1887) Volume 1, page 214. (Badlesmere)
• "The Complete Peerage", Cokayne and others. (second edition) (1910) Volume 1, page 371-2. (Badlesmere) <Archive.Org> wife identified as Joan FitzBernard: "Bartholomew of Badlesmere, of Badlesmere and Chilham Castle, Kent, s. and h. of Guncelin or Gunselm B., of Badlesmere afsd., Justice of Chester, by Joan, da. of Ralph Fitz Bernard, of Kingsdown, Kent (aunt and, in her issue, h. to Thomas [Lord] Fitz Bernard), attended . . . ." But this identification was later retracted by Complete Peerage volume 5, page 403, note b, and was consequently removed from the article on Badlesmere by volume 14 (Corrections and Additions).
• "The Complete Peerage", Cokayne and others. (second edition) (1912). Volume 2, page 425. (Burghersh) (Corrected in CP 14:57)
• "The Complete Peerage", Cokayne and others. (second edition) (1921/6). Volume 5, page 403, footnote b. (FitzBernard) (document attached)
• "The Complete Peerage", Cokayne and others. (second edition) (Addenda & corrigenda, 1998). Volume 14, page 57. Badlesmere. page 372 lines 1-4, delete from ‘by’ to ‘FitzBernard’ {(See vol. v, p 403, note b)} <link>