wife of N.N. Mann

The wife of Unknown Mann was

• Birth say ABT 1479 possibly in Doncaster, South Yorkshire, England
• Death: Unknown

Marriage

1. , Mr Unknown MAN b: say about 1479 possibly in Doncaster, England

Children born possibly in Doncaster, England circa 1500 - 1530

1. William Mann
2. Annis Mann
3. Isabel Mann
4. Christopher Mann born say 1500 in Doncaster, South Yorkshire, England, Will dated 11 Oct 1558 proved 13 Jan 1558 in Yorkshire, England, burial in Scrooby. married Alice .
5. Maude MANN b: say 1513 in Doncaster, South Yorkshire, England, died After 11 OCT 1558 in Doncaster, South Yorkshire, England, married William Brewster of Doncaster.

The Mann Family of Doncaster and Scrooby

We do not know the identity of the person represented by this profile or of his wife. We only know that he had at least five children born in the early 16th century living in Doncaster, South Yorkshire, England. These children were:

1. William Mann
2. Annis Mann
3. Isabel Mann
4. Christopher Mann born say 1500 in Doncaster, South Yorkshire, England, Will dated 11 Oct 1558 proved 13 Jan 1558 in Yorkshire, England, burial in Scrooby. He married Alice and had Avery, John and Christian (Mann) Ioys.
5. Maude MANN b: say 1513 in Doncaster, South Yorkshire, England, died After 11 OCT 1558 in Doncaster, South Yorkshire, England, married William Brewster of Doncaster.

Based on the estimated age of of Maude Mann above we have entered some possible dates of birth for these children on their profiles. However, we have no specific knowledge about when they were born. We only know the approximate death date for Christopher. On some un-sourced trees on the Internet you may find the father is named John. There is absolutely no evidence regarding his name or where he came from.

There is only one primary source that identifies this Mann family group of Doncaster and Scrooby and that is the will of Christopher Mann dated 1584 published by John G Hunt in NEHGR Volume 124 p 253 in 1970.[1] This was a follow-up article to his previously published treatment of this family published in 1965 in TAG Volume 41 p 1-5[2] In 2014 the General Society of Mayflower Descendants published the latest research on Elder William Brewster and they called these two articles the current state of research on this topic.[3] In his will dated 11 Oct 1558, proved Jan 13 1558, Christopher Mann names his wife Alice and his children Avery, John, John and Christian Ioys. (Note he lists two sons named John). He names his siblings William, Annis, Isabel and Maude Brewster. He named William Watson but does not state his relationship to him. Of the women named he does not name spouses and only two of them have married names: his daughter Christian Iolys and his sister Maude Brewster above. The three Witnesses are familiar to us: William Bruister (sic) John Simkinson and Thomas Simkinson (John Simkinson being the first husband of Mary Smythe, the mother of the Mayflower passenger).[2] Nowhere in this document do the names of a father John Mann or grandfather Baseling Mann appear. There is no primary source naming a John Mann or Baseling Mann in Scrooby. They appear to be pure fantasy. John G Hunt has been so determined for so many decades to try to stretch this family back as far in time as possible that if there was even a hint that there was a John Mann anywhere in the area he would have published it by now. He’s not a person who backs away from controversy and he doesn’t mind offering speculation.

Moreover, there is no evidence aside from geography that these families are related in anyway to the Cornwall family. That is wild conjecture without any evidence whatsoever. Therefore I am removing Unknown Cornwall as mother of Maude.

Nor is there evidence that her sister Isabel married William Watson. William Watson was named in the will of her brother Christopher but that doesn't imply he married his sister Isabel specifically.

This is the family of a very important historical character and it should be as accurate as possible. A whole list of children and parents are getting copied to GENI, Wikitree, Familysearch, Ancestry and Werelate, etc. and there is no evidence to support their existence. We should raise the bar. If we include a name or a profile in the family tree of the only college educated Mayflower Passenger then we had better pony up a solid source to back up that name or profile.

Maude Mann the sister of Chistopher Mann, William Mann, Annis Mann and Isabel Mann married at an unknown place by about 1534 to William Brewster of Doncaster.[1] Doncaster is seven miles North of Scrooby. Nothing is known about the birth or death dates of Maude Mann and William Brewster of Doncaster. We do know Maude was living when she was named in her brother Christopher's will dated 11 OCT 1558. A William Brewster was witness to the same instrument on 13 Jan 1558 but it isn't clear if this was William Brewster of Doncaster or his son William Brewster of Scrooby. John G Hunt believes it was the son.

The will of Maude's brother Christopher is not only helpful in determining her maiden name it also helps us elucidate the identity of the mother of William Brewster the Mayflower passenger, Mary Smythe. Christopher's will was witnessed by John Symkinson who was the first husband of Mary Smythe, the mother of Thomas Sinkinson of Hull by her first husband and the mother of William Brewster the Mayflower passenger by her second husband William Brewster of Scrooby.[2]

The Will of his son Christopher Mann

Taken from Footnote 5 of NEHGR Volume 124 p 253 in 1970:[1]

"Will of Christopher Mann, dated 11 Oct. 1558, Proved Jan 13. following (York P&E court, vol 15, pt 3, fo. 186) : "my bodie to be buried within the church or courtyard of St. James in Scrowbie... to my daughter Christian ioys [?wys] 3/6/8... to Wm. Watson xl s... to Isabel my sister 6/8... to my sister Maude Bruister 6/8... to my brother Wm. Man 6/8... Alice my wife... Avery and John and John my children [!]." Witnesses: Mr. Thomas Simkinson, Willam Bruister [!] and John Simkinson."

Sources

• 1 John G Hunt "The Mother of Elder William Brewster of the Mayflower" in The New England Historical and Genealogical Register. Boston, MA: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1847-. (Online database: AmericanAncestors.org, New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1970) Volume 124 p 250-254 link to article at AmericanAncestors
• 2 John G Hunt, "New Light on the Brewsters of Scrooby and New England" in The American Genealogist (Demorest, Habersham, Georgia, United States: D.L. Jacobus, 1965) Vol 41 p 1-5 link
• 3 Merrick, Barbara Lambert, and E. Virginia Hunt. William Brewster of the Mayflower: and his descendants for four generations. (Plymouth, MA: General Society of Mayflower Descendants, 2014), p 1-2, 2014. The GSMD "Silver Book"
• 4 Abbrev: IGI Title: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, International Genealogical Index (R) Copyright (c) 1980, 2002,;LDS Church, FamilySearch Internet Genealogy Service Internet: http://www.familysearch.org gical Index (R) Copyright (c) 1980, 2002,ical Index (R) Copyright (c) 1980, 2002, Repository: Name: Family History Library Repository: Page: Film #: 1553185, Batch #: F503058, Sheet #: 040, Source Call #: 1553185, Printout Call #: N
• http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bevangene...
• http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mcstayfamily/brew...

Notes Regarding Who She is *NOT*

Curator note, April 2014:

There is no evidence to support a Geni profile of

Maude Mann (Boothe)

• Birth: 1472 Dunham, Nottinghamshire, England
• Death: 1502 (30) Dunham Massey, Nottinghamshire, England
• Immediate Family:
• Daughter of George Booth, Lord of Dunham Massey and Katherine Montfort
• Wife of John Mann
• Mother of Christopher Mann, of Scrooby; Isabel Watson (Mann); William Mann; Maude Brewster (Mann) and Annis Mann

"Maude" is not a known daughter of George Booth & Katherine Montfort (see links below for their actual family).

Disconnected from these parents April 2014

It would be helpful if profile managers assist, especially by "rejecting" matches that attempt to "know" the "unknown."

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The following was posted by EPA on 4/26/2014

What, only 53 Smart Matches?
Surely we can find another 50 and list them all in the About. Or, we could actually research this person and post links to sources . . . Come on, people.

In http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p360.htm#i... I do not even find a daughter named Maude.

George Booth, Esq.1,2,3,4

• b. circa 1445,
• d. 21 March 1484
• Father Sir William Booth, Sheriff of Chester2,3,4 d. 6 Apr 1477
• Mother Maud de Dutton3,4 b. c 1427, d. c 1489

George Booth, Esq. was born circa 1445 at of Dunham-Massie, Cheshire, England; Age 32 in 1477.2,3,4 He married Katharine Montfort, daughter of Robert Montfort, Esq. and Mary Stapleton, before January 1473; They had 3 sons (Sir William; Lawrence; & Roger) & 3 daughters (Margaret, wife of Sir George Holford; Alice, wife of William Massey, & Ellen).2,3 George Booth, Esq. left a will on 17 March 1480; Requested burial in the new chapel of St. Mary of Bowdon, Cheshire.3,4 He died on 21 March 1484.2,3,4

Married

1. Katharine Montfort d. 7 Dec 1498

Children (3 sons, 3 daughters)

1. Laurence Booth
2. Roger Booth
3. Margaret Booth. Married George Holford.
4. Alice Booth+. Married William Massey.
5. Ellen Booth
6. Sir William Booth+2,3,4 b. 11 Jun 1473, d. 11 Nov 1519

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https://histfam.familysearch.org//getperson.php?personID=I67323&tre... cites these sources for the family of George Booth & Katherine Montfort:

1. [S131] #560 [1819] The History of the County Palatine and City of Chester (1819), Ormerod, George, (3 volumes. London: Lackington, Hughes, Mavor & Jones, 1819), FHL microfilms 924,226-924,227., vol. 1 p. 401.
2. [S2083] #2142 The visitation of Cheshire in the year 1580 ..., Rylands, John Paul, (London : [s.n.], 1882. xii, 298 p. : coats of arms, facsims., geneal. tables ; 26 cm.), FHL microfilm 162051 Item 2., p. 36.
3. [S26] #733 East Cheshire, Past and Present, Or, a History of the Hundred of Macclesfield in the County Palatine of Chester - from Original Records (1877-1880), Earwaker, J. P. (John Parsons), (2 volumes in 4 parts. London: [s.n.], 1877-1880 (London: Wyman and Sons).), FHL book 942.71 H2ear; FHL microfilm 994,030 item ., vol. 1 pt. 1 p. 54.
4. [S26] #733 East Cheshire, Past and Present, Or, a History of the Hundred of Macclesfield in the County Palatine of Chester - from Original Records (1877-1880), Earwaker, J. P. (John Parsons), (2 volumes in 4 parts. London: [s.n.], 1877-1880 (London: Wyman and Sons).), FHL book 942.71 H2ear; FHL microfilm 994,030 item ., vol. 1 pt. 1 p. 55.
5. [S2054] #2058 The American Genealogist (1932-1965), Jacobus, Donald Lines, (32 volumes in 11. New Haven: D. L. Jacobus, 1932-1965), FHL book 973 B2aga, D25aga., vol. 26 p. 21.
6. [S547] #1848 The Visitation of the County of Warwick in the Year 1619 (1877), Camden, William, (Publications of the Harleian Society: Visitations, volume 12. London: [Harleian Society], 1877), FHL book 942 B4h volume 12; FHL microfilm 162,048 ., vol. 12 p. 56.
7. [S1430] Ancestry of John Barber White and of his descendants, White, Almira Larkin, (Kansas City, Missouri : John Barber White, c1913), 929.273 W582waL., p. 200.
8. [S50] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, Weis, Frederick Lewis, (Genealogical Publishing Co. Inc. Baltimore, Maryland. 2004 8th Edition.), 974 D2w 2004., p. 41 Line 33:36.
9. [S33] #242 [1883 edition] A Genealogical History of the Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages of the British Empire (New edition, 1883, reprint 1962), Burke, Sir John Bernard, (New edition. 1883. Reprint, London: Harrison and Sons, 1962), FHL book 942 D22bug 1883., p. 60.
10. [S444] #1030 The Baronetage of England: Containing a Genealogical and Historical Account of All the English Baronets Now Existing, with Their Descents, Marriages, and Memorable Actions Both in War and Peace... (1771), Kimber, E., (3 volumes. London: [s.n.], 1771), FHL book 942 D22ke; FHL microfilms 824,476-824,477., vol. 1 p. 24.
11. [S138] #709 History of the County Palatine and Duchy of Lancaster (1836), Baines, Sir Edward, (4 volumes. London: Fisher, 1836), FHL book 942.72 H2ba; FHL microfilms 994,035 item ., vol. 3 Booth pedigree chart facing p. 113.
12. [S20] Magna Carta Ancestry: A study in Colonial and Medieval Families, Richardson, Douglas, (Kimball G. Everingham, editor. 2nd edition, 2011), vol. 1 p. 258.

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Note a long list of SmartMatches were moved to the attached discussion thread on 6/21/2016 as part of a clean-up of this profile.

In Geni World Family Tree

wife of John Mann Gender: Female Alias name: Not Maude Boothe Birth: Circa 1479

 Ormesby, Yorkshire, England Marriage:	Spouse: John Mann (born Man) Circa 1499

 Scrooby, Nottinghamshire , England Death:	After 1522 Father:	unknown father of the wife of John Mann Mother:	unknown mother of the wife of John Mann Husband:	John Mann (born Man) Children:	Christopher Mann William Mann Maude Brewster (born Mann) John Mann Isabel Watson (born Mann) Annis Mann Source:	View full record on Geni website