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Dear members of this historical project, here I try to tell all once again more clear, before it was mostly emotional text, but now mostly with facts:
1. more than 50 years ago , when no any internet and no any info in Russia that times , Johan Tuder, (brother of my great grand mother Maria Tuder) (Iohan Tuder) (file 1 added with his profile and file 2 with Maria Tuder Мaria Tuder) told story to our family that his ancestors are from UK Tudor family from one of Richard Tudor family. He told that when Peter the Great was in UK her took one of Tudors with and leave him in Estonia.
2. when I registered with site geni I checked if it is any info about that and found some interesting information about that:
2.1. one marriage in this family is related to Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh family : Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh is your fifth cousin once removed's ex-husband's third cousin once removed. Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh ( picture file 3) 2.2. First Tuder (Tuudor Juhhan Vodava külast) (file 4 file 5 )in Estonia family signed about 1685 and (NOT a John who immigrated to America) Tudor ((NOT a John who immigrated to America) Tudor) is 1643 и 1687 (file 6) means they both have not exact dates the same years+/- about
the name of he firs Estonian Tuder is Tuudor Vodava külast in English means Tuudor Vodava village
it is not usual way to write name of the person...
and NOTE: here it is dates of Peter Great visit to UK: On invitation of William III, Peter and part of the mission also went to England in January 1698, where he visited Gilbert Burnet and Edmond Halley in the Royal Observatory, the Royal Mint, the Royal Society, the University of Oxford, as well as several shipyards and artillery plants. The embassy stayed in Sayes Court (adjacent to the Deptford Dockyard) belonging to John Evelyn and did great damage to both house and grounds,
means all dates are close to each other...
2.3. one of persons of Estonian Tuder family is Wilhelmine Charlotta Charlotte Tarto (Wilhelmine Charlotte Tarto) - her granddaughter has marriage to Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh family her name is also unusual for average family
2.4. before brothers of NOT a John who immigrated to America) Tudor was signed on geni as a Tuder, now it was changed for Tudor, but historical originality of this surname is Tuder some Tuder are still signed in UK tree: Richard Tudder: Richard Tudder got changes in sirname alike to estonian line- TuddEr and all his children, grandchildren got sirname not TudOr but alike to Estonian line TudEr: 1. James Tuder James Tuder 2. Thomas Tuder Thomas Tuder 3. John Tuder John Tuder 4. Thomas Tuder Thomas Tuder 5. Henry Tuder Henry Tuder 6. John Tuder John Tuder 7. Elizabeth Tuder Elizabeth Tuder
2.5. I found man relative with surname Tuder in Estonia who should pass DNA soon , he says about 21 Tuder live in Estonia now...
2.6. as you can see (NOT a John who immigrated to America) Tudor is really son and grandson of Richard I and Richard II, as Johan Tider said it here 50 years ago with no any internet info: Richard Tudor, II Richard Tudor, I
2.7. In Wikipedia they say that stress in Tudor in Russia is O stressed and in England is Ustressed in pronaunsation, Tuder family in Saint-Petersburg has stredd with letter U, as it is in UK... https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Тюдоры Тюдо́ры (по традиционному русскому ударению; английское ударение на первый слог, англ. Tudors, ед. ч. Tudor) — королевская династия Англии в 1485—1603. 3. hope to get historical data soon...