Turun piispa Konrad Bitz (piispana 1460-89)

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Private User
11/25/2017 at 4:09 AM

Is it possible for you to Write in English ?

Private User
11/25/2017 at 10:40 AM

I understand Swedish, but not Finnish.

Do somebody out there know something New in this case ? Is it necessary to correct the tree ?

11/25/2017 at 5:54 PM

Even if the Bitz family originated in Bitzer, Germany it would be very unlikely that they would be entitled to use the city's coat-of-arms.
I think that it is very unlikely that the coat of arms being used on Geni and MyHeritage for the family is accurate, but the mistake could easily be much older than either website.

We cannot do much about people using the image on MyHeritage but here on Geni it would be possible to remove or replace the image on Bitz family profiles.

Private User
11/26/2017 at 4:18 AM

Konrad Bidz profile Conradus Henrici Bitz

Private User
11/26/2017 at 4:26 AM

Wikipedia.org : https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konrad_Bitz

Is "Kansallisbiografia Bitz 1300 - 1600" at internet ?

Private User
11/26/2017 at 4:38 AM

Alex talk about the profilphoto: The best photo for this use is Konrad s Bishop-coat of arms (biskopssigill).

Private User
11/26/2017 at 2:05 PM

Mielenkiintoista on tutustua muinaistutkija Elias Brennerin muistiinpanoihin piispa Conrad Bitzistä, hänen suvustaan ja vaakunastaan. Hän jättää monta kysymystä tuleville tutkijoille.
Elias Brenner i K. A. Gottlund "Otava 1" (suomeksi)
https://www.doria.fi/bitstream/handle/10024/58996/p49-06_f406669_6....
https://www.doria.fi/bitstream/handle/10024/58996/p49-06_f406669_6....

11/27/2017 at 1:30 AM

Mielenkiintoiseksi tekee sivun 474 tieto Hinrik, joka onkin Eerik Bitze.

12/18/2018 at 9:36 AM

Hello! This Bitz family is very interesting. It is regarded as a very old Finnish "uradel" or "frälse". I have been researching this quite a lot.

This family has been in Finland at least from the 1300s. My guess is that not much earlier. There was a Danish knight with this name, but his coat of arms had scissors. One really interesting issue is the meaning of name Bitz / Bitze / Bitzer / Bydz / Bisse / even Pytz etc. The most common answer is "a goat / buck". As you know, there is a goat in bishop Konrad Bitz's coat of arms as well as in the one of the municipality of Bitsch in Switzerland.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitsch,_Switzerland

Another alternative is that it means "a container, bottle, cask, pitcher". This is one story behind the German municipality name Bitz.
http://www.bitz.de/,Lde/141768.html

Third explanation could be "a cutter" or something like that. In Finland, there was a profession called bitzare. I'm not totally sure if it's about cutting clothes (tailoring) or something else (wood, food). I have seen different interpretations. Remember, that a Danish Bitzer coat of arms had scissors.

I am especially interested in this, because my paternal line was called Pytty / Pytti / Bytte etc. This family name is found exactly in the same places in Finland, where Bitz family had their estates before they completely vanishing (before 1600s). There were even people called Bidzare in a village of Leistilä in Ulvila - and guess what - this village was earlier owned by Bitz family. It is said that bidzare is a profession, but there might be something else behind this all. Recently I have gotten hints that my ancestor in direct paternal line might have lived in that very same village or very nearby.

I have done a Y-DNA test. I have matches there with ancestors called Bitzer, Pitts, Potter, Potts, von Bittenfeld, Pittser, Pitzer etc. Some more close matches include Taylor for example. Pytty is Finnish and means "container, cask etc."

Did Bitz family lose their status and become common house owners and bourgeoisie? Did they somewhat bend their own name perhaps in order to hide from something?

12/18/2018 at 9:47 AM

There is a sort of triangle formed by locations of three places: Bitsch in Switzerland, Bitz in Germany and Bitche in France.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitche
I have a concentration of Y-DNA matches (FamilyTreeDNA) inside that triangle:
About 20 Y25 matches with GDs between 0 and 2.

However, more recent matches are from Britain. Speaking about this Pytty name of my paternal line ancestors:

Pittis Genealogy, 1945:
https://books.google.fi/books/about/Pittis_Genealogy.html?id=UHtIAA...
Among the various spellings found in old records in England are, Pyts, Pytis, Pyttys, Pyttis, Pittys, Pits, Pites, Pites, Pitis, Pittes, Pittis. These variations are found chiefly in records during and prior to the 1500s. Pyttys, Pyttis and Pittys were the latest of the old forms using y instead of i....
John Pyttys, Fellow of All Souls’ College, Oxford, 1517.

Pitts family notes
http://brownbunch.tripod.com/id13.html
The Pitt (Pitts) Family is said to come from the Norman Gervase de la Puette,
born about 1160 in what is now the Normandy province of France. Thomas de la
Pitte was born about 1200 in England. Simon de la Pitte was born about 1230 in
England. Thomas Ithe Pitte was born around 1260 in England. Robert Ithe Pitte
was born about 1284 in England and died 1361 in England. Simon Atte Pitte.
Richard Pyts, who married Johanna de la Poole. Johannes (John) Pitts born in
DeCurvyard, DeLaPyrne, married Dorothia (last name unknown), and died in 1438.
William Pitt was at Stoke, married Katherine Broughton and died after 1400.
Sir Edward Pitt, who married Elizabeth Nicholai Willford, and died in 1455.
William Bithe Pitte was born in 1477 in Dorset and died in 1528.

Private User
6/28/2022 at 5:18 AM

Bitz, Conradus (K 1489)
https://kansallisbiografia.fi/kansallisbiografia/henkilo/111

Bitz (1300 - 1600)
https://kansallisbiografia.fi/kansallisbiografia/henkilo/181

The first is about this person, the second about the family. Both are written by Seppo Suvanto (1918-2008), an esteemed historian specialised in the Finnish middle ages and the beginning of the Finnish new age. Unfortunately these are behind the paywall, and only in Finnish.

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