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About Unknown Cogan, widow Strong
https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000123346254844&
This profile is NOT Eleanor Deane, daughter of Walter Dean of Chard. That daughter is Eleanor Balstone.
This link: https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000123346254844& says that John Strong (d 1613) married and unknown woman, who as his widow then married William Cogan.
- This profile is the "unknown woman."
- John Strong's will names a son John and an unborn child (Eleanor Strong Deane).
- William Cogan's will names "daughter" (step-daughter from a young age) Eleanor Deane, as well as a daughter Eleanor Cogan. These are two different people.
The fact that this "Unknown woman" had two daughters named Eleanor would lead one to think that her name was Eleanor also. But this is pure speculation on my part. - LJB
https://minerdescent.com/2010/07/09/john-richard-strong/
William Cogan, who died after 1654, plainly states [in his will] that Eleanor Deane is in New England and yet bequeaths to his daughter Eleanor’s sons should she have any. By this time Eleanor Deane had at least one son, James born 1648. Nora E Snow explains: “Governor Strong’s tradition says that the father of John Strong died while his son was young 1613. Please note the peculiar wording of the William Cogan will and the peculiar right that the daughter Eleanor Deane seems to hold to the homestead estate; also note the fact that William Cogan had two daughters named Eleanor. It has been my belief that William Cogan had married the mother of John Strong and that Eleanor Deane was really the sister of John Strong and step-daughter of William Cogan.
The information below belongs to Eleanor Balstone
This Eleanor Deane lived and died in England. She was the daughter of Walter Deane of Chard. Walter Deane died c. 1590. Her brother was William Deane.
The information below belongs to Eleanor Deane, daughter of this "Unknown woman."
She married John Strong of Chard. John Strong of Chard died in 1613. Their children were:
- Elder John Strong of Windsor, Connecticut and Northampton, Massachusetts
- Eleanor Strong
Elder John married Margery Deane, daughter of his uncle, William Deane (see above).
Elder John's sister, Eleanor, married Walter Deane, son of his uncle, William Deane.
Source is Connecticut Nutmegger Vol 22, page 14 (1989), online in NEGHS.
But see below about Eleanor Deane (sister of Elder John Strong).
Eleanor Balstone Eleanor's parents: Walter Deane d.1585 & Joan Walsele 1565-1597: Walter-2 DEANE died between 1585 and 1591 in Chard, Somerset, England. He was married to Joan WALSELE on 12 Nov 1565 in Buckland, Somerset, England. Joan WALSELE died about 1597 in Chard, Somerset, England.
Their daughter was Eleanor DEANE born in 1586 in Chard, Somerset, England.
??? This would be the "Unknown woman" - (a) She m(1)John Strong but probably had a second marriage to William Cogan (c). Eleanor died in 1653 [???] in Taunton, Sussex, England.(a) Their children were Elder John1 STRONG. (1606-1699) and an unborn child (as ofthe writing of John's will (below)).
- p.72-73
"There seems to be a great deal of controversy in regard to ELEANOR STRONG, the sister of [Elder] John strong, who is said to have married Walter Deane. It has been pointed out that John Strong married Margery, the sister of Walter Deane, and that this is the reason he was called the brother-in-law of Walter deane; also that Eleanor Cogan, the daughter of William Cogan, is called the wife of Walter Deane in her father's will. However, her father does not say so. Below is given a part of the will of William Cogan dated 1654:
"I give, devise and bequeath the cottage house in Southchard aforesaid wherein I now dwell with the backsid garden and close of land thereunto belongeings with theire appurtenances (after the death of my daughter Eleanor Deane wife of Walter Deane in New England) unto Eleanor Cogan my daughter and to the heires males of her bodie lawfully to be begotten for ever. And for default of such issue then to the heires males of the said Eleanor Deane of her bodie lawfully begotten."
"William Cogan, who died after 1654, plainly states that Eleanor Deane's is in New England, and yet bequeaths to his daughter Eleanor's sons should she have any. By this time Eleanor Deane had at least one son (James born in 1648). Nora E. Snow, in the Snow-Estes Genealogy, gives a reasonable explanation of this situation:
https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000123346254844&
"Governor Strong's Tradition says that the father of John Strong [John Richard? Strong] died while his son was young (1613). Please note the peculiar wording of the William Cogan will, and the peculiar right that the daughter Eleanor Deane seems to hold to the homestead estate; also note the fact that William Cogan has had two daughters named Eleanor. It has been my belief that William Cogan had married the mother of John Strong and that Eleanor Deane was really the sister of John Strong, and step-daughter of William Cogan."
Snow, Nora E., The Snow-Estes Ancestry, published by the author, 1939, Hillburn,NY
New England Historical and Genealogical Register: Vol.III, p.383; Vol. VIII, pp.180-183;
Vol.XXIII,pp.294-296; Vol.LI,pp.432-434
"According to family tradition, ELDER JOHN STRONG was born and lived at Taunton in Somersetshire, but no record of his birth nor residence there has ever been found. Nor has any record been found of a Richard Strong, said to be John's father. About twelve mile from Taunton lies the village of Chard, and here is found the record of the burial of John Strong of Chard, July 14, 1613. In the will of this John Strong is named a son John and an unborn child. Mr. Albert Strong, author of The Strongs of Strongsville, believes this posthumous child to have been the daughter, Eleanor."
http://kinnexions.com/ancestries/strong.htm#JStrong
She died during the passage from England or shortly thereafter along with an infant daughter. [???]
Links
In both the Strong Family History Updates, and on the official website, the wife of John Strong of Chard, who is the mother of Elder John Strong of New England, is listed as unknown.
SOURCE: http://www.geocities.com/sfaapage/
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Unknown Cogan, widow Strong's Timeline
1586 |
1586
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Chard, Somerset, England (United Kingdom)
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1605 |
June 10, 1605
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Chard, Somerset, England
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1612 |
1612
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probably Taunton, Somerset, England (United Kingdom)
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1640 |
1640
Age 54
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Plymouth, Massachusetts
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1664 |
April 24, 1664
Age 78
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Taunton, Bristol, Massachusetts, Colonial America
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1920 |
March 2, 1920
Age 78
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March 24, 1920
Age 78
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