Ermenfroi d'Amiens, comte d'Amiens, de Vexin et de Valois (c. 895-919)

Ermenfroi d'Amiens, comte d'Amiens

• Born: of Amiens, Somme, Picardy, France
• Died: 919 of Amiens, Somme, Picardy, France
• parents: unknown (see notes) Another name for Ermenfroi is Ermenfried

Married

1. First wife
2. Adelaide DE GATINAIS daughter of Geoffrey DE GATINAIS and Daughter of Seigneur D' AMBOISE, Adelaide was born in Gatinais, Loiret, Orleanais Centre, France and died of Amiens, Somme, Picardy, France. Another name for Adelaide was Adele de GATINAIS.

Oldest daughter by 1st wife

1. Eldegarde 'd'Amiens was born Cir 0880 in Amiens, Somme, Picardy, France and died After 0955 of Valois (now Oise), Picardy, France. Married Raoul l de Gouy. He may have been Eldegarde of Valois' brother rather than father. (1) there is also the possibility that she was his niece, not daughter. (2)

Notes

Titles:

• avant 895-919 : Ermenfroi d'Amiens, comte d'Amiens, de Vexin et de Valois

Descent:

• From http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_comtes_d'Amiens

Maison de Valois-Vexin-Amiens

• avant 895-919 : Ermenfroi d'Amiens, comte d'Amiens, de Vexin et de Valois
• 915-926 : Raoul Ier d'Ostrevent († 926), comte d'Amiens, de Vexin et de Valois marié à Hildegarde, probablement fille d'Ermenfroi
• 926-941 : Raoul II, comte d'Amiens, de Vexin et de Valois, fils du précédent marié à Lietgearde
• 941-944 : Eudes de Vermandois, comte d'Amiens par usurpation, fils d'Herbert II de Vermandois, chassé en 944

But - additional comment from http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raoul_Ier_de_Vexin

"Raoul Ier de Vexin, mort en 926, fut de Vexin, d'Amiens et de Valois, épousa ensuite vers 910 Hildegarde, héritière des comtes Ermenfroi et Gozdert, et fille probable du premier. Ces deux comtes possédaient les comtés d'Amiens, de Valois et du Vexin. Édouard de Saint-Phalle pense que Ermenfroi possédait les trois comtés, mais Pierre Baudin signale que c'est plutôt Raoul qui regroupa les trois comtés. En tout cas, il est certain qu'il les acquit par l'intermédiaire de son épouse."

(Pierre Baudin noted that it is rather Raoul, Ermenfroi's son in law, who grouped the three counties of Vexin, d'Amiens and Valois. But in any case, it is certain that he acquired through his wife.)

Origins:

• Online trees frequently show Ermenfroi as the second child and 1st son of Eberhard of Fruili & Gisele, daughter of Louis the Pious. It is difficult to find the original attribution. Perhaps it's a misreading of Weiss' "Ancestral Roots" in an earlier edition. So as of Jan 2014 the Geni tree shows his parents as "unknown.".

Research into his true origins invited by discussion on the profile.

Citations

• Various.,  Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, also found at groups - google.com,  (soc.genealogy.medieval IN newsboard groups, also usually found on google.com), Alan B. Wilson, 30 Dec 1998.
• Stuart, Roderick W. Royalty for Commoners, The Complete Known Lineage of John of Gaunt, Son of Edward III, King of England, and Queen Philippa. Fourth Edition. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2002.
• Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999, 250-17.  
• Jim Weber's Rootsweb database

Sources

1. Weis, Frederick Lewis, Walter Lee Shepard, William R. & Kaleen E. Beall,  Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 - 8th and Earlier Editions,  (Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.; Baltimore MD; 2004; 359 pages). Page 236, line 250.
2. Families, Friends, and Allies: Boulogne and Politics in Northern France and England, C. 879-1160 Heather J. Tanner BRILL, 2004 - History - 399 pages. Page 56. " ... Kinship also played a significant role in securing newly acquired territory. Ermenfroi and Raoul l de Gouy defended their country from the Northmen's raids and their neighbors through a marriage alliance and their fidelity to the king. (145). Raoul's marriage to Eldegarde, Ermenfroi's daughter or niece, secured Ermenfroi's counties to his grandchildren, and helped Raoul maintain his control over Ostrevant."

Links

• http://washington.ancestryregister.com/FRIULI00006.htm
• http://www.celtic-casimir.com/webtree/17/32764.htm
• http://www.theroyfamily.com/p33746.htm

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Ermenfroi d'Amiens, Comte d'Amiens, de Valois et du Vexin

▼Facts and Events Name[1] Ermenfroi d'Amiens, Comte d'Amiens, de Valois et du Vexin Death[1] bet 919 and 923

Very little is known about Ermenfroi, other than that he was Count of Amiens, Valois and Vexin in the early 10th century, that he died between 919 and 923, and that he had brothers Gozbert and Francon, abbot of Corbie. Seversmith speculated that the wife of Raoul de Gouy was Ermenfroi's daughter or niece, and through her, Amiens, Valois and Vexin were passed to her son.

▼References ↑ 1.0 1.1 Seversmith, Herbert Furman. Colonial families of Long Island, New York and Connecticut: being the Ancestry & Kindred of Herbert Furman Seversmith. (Washington, D. C.: The Author (typescript), 1939-1958), 2:2470.