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Godfrey de Luci, Bishop of Winchester

Also Known As: "Godfrey de Luci"
Birthdate:
Birthplace: Luce, Normandy, France
Death: September 1204 (81-90)
Ongar, Essex, England
Immediate Family:

Son of Richard de Lucy "The Loyal" , Justiciar of England and Rohaise of Boulogne
Husband of Agatha
Father of Geoffrey de Lucy, I and Maurice De Lucy
Brother of Geoffrey de Lucy; Aveline de Montfichet; William de Lucy; Alice de Lucy; Maud (Matilda) de Lucy and 1 other

Occupation: Bishop
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About Godfrey de Luci, Bishop of Winchester

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Godfrey de Luci (also Godfrey de Lucy) was a medieval Bishop of Winchester.

Godfrey was dean of St. Martin le Grand in London before being appointed Archdeacon of Derby in the diocese of Lichfield about 1171. He was Archdeacon of Richmond in the diocese of York before 18 August 1184. He also held prebends in the dioceses of Exeter, Lincoln, London and Salisbury. He was also a royal justice.[1]

Bishop Godfrey de Lucy, Agatha and their Three Sons:
Clerical Relationships in the Thirteenth Century
By Anna Withers
Anna is a Cathedral Guide
Enter Agatha, wet-nurse (possibly to the future King John) in the household of
Eleanor of Aquitaine and recognised “clergy wife” over many decades to Bishop
Godfrey. The relationship may have begun as early as John’s birth c.1166, and have
concluded only towards the end of Godfrey’s life in 1204. Agatha was greatly valued
by Eleanor: long after her child-bearing years had ended, she gave Agatha woodland
at Berkhamsted, providing an income of 9s 10d. Later Eleanor made this woman, so
humbly born that she has neither family name nor toponym, hereditary holder of the
manor of Lifton, in Devon. In return for a pound of incense Agatha acquired an
annual income of £15. (Royal domestic servants earned about £5 p.a.). In 1204,
Eleanor died and her lands passed to John’s queen, Isabella of Angouleme. By this
time Agatha’s liaison with Godfrey de Lucy had apparently come to an end, and she
had married William of Gaddesden, a royal falconer. They had to pay King John 60
marks to retain a mere life interest in the manor. Agatha outlived William and later
sold her life interest in Lifton. She gave land to Flamstead Abbey “for the soul of King
Henry, son of King John”, indication presumably of lasting affection for the royal
family. Clearly she had maintained long-standing royal links and had become a
woman of property, dealing in land under her own seal.
Her liaison with Godfrey was forbidden by the church. Nonetheless, Godfrey was
one of four contemporaneous English bishops living openly with women, and he and
Agatha produced three sons. All took his name and pursued successful careers;
Geoffrey became Archdeacon of London, Dean of St Paul’s and Chancellor of
Oxford University; Philip became a royal official, Clerk of the Chamber, and John
acquired, under his father’s will, houses in the Strand, London. Both Geoffrey and
Philip had to obtain papal dispensations to further their careers. Geoffrey’s
dispensation stated that he was not a bastard but the offspring of a “clandestine but
otherwise legitimate marriage”.1 Six bishops supported Philip’s application, despite
his illegitimacy.
1 Ralph Turner, ‘Agatha, Clerical “Wife” and Wet Nurse to King John of England, Longtime
Companion to Godfrey de Lucy, Bishop of Winchester’, Conference Paper, New College Medieval
In the early Romano-Gallic Christian church, there was no special demand for
chastity on the part of its leaders: they were lay members of the community, and
their wives were acknowledged: these women might have special titles (presbyteria,
sacerdotissa, reflecting their husbands’ status), might wear distinctive clothing and
also be given a special blessing.2 But celibate life became increasingly admired, and
in 325 AD the Council of Nicaea decreed that married bishops, priests and deacons
should refrain from sex with their wives. Clerical marriage was still acceptable but
abstinence within it was to be preferred, and married men who became priests were
expected to treat their wives like sisters.3
Over the subsequent centuries of the first millennium attitudes gradually hardened,
driven by scriptural, doctrinal, and even political and economic concerns. Supporters
of clerical marriage declared that it protected clergy from sexual sin. However, an
opposing and fiercely misogynistic view saw women as repositories of lust,
defilement, worldliness and impurity.
By the tenth century, the developing concept of a priest as an exclusive mediator
between God and man ruled out sexual relationships, as a priest must be purified
from sin. Clerical marriages were not yet illicit, but penalties and bans began to be
introduced. As stricter legislation evolved over the eleventh and twelfth centuries,
matters worsened for married priests, their families and their parishioners. A sexually
impure priest compromised his own and his congregation’s relationship with God,
and the existence of his wife polluted his body, his priesthood and his parishioners.
4
The children of clergy embodied pollution, opposition to church order, and
immorality.
In 1074 Pope Gregory VII imposed a vow of chastity for entry to major orders
(priests, deacons and subdeacons) and for all beneficed clerks.
5 The laity were not
meant to attend masses celebrated by unchaste priests, and those who did not
repudiate their wives were to be deposed from office. Clearly this legislation was
ineffective, and the Lateran Councils of 1123 and 1139 attempted to address the
problem. Under Lateran I (1123) marriage was made a canonical crime for clergy in
major orders.
6 Lateran II (1139) reiterated this and barred married men from entering
the priesthood.7 Priests possessed of wives were ordered to dismiss them, the
and Renaissance Conference, Sarasota, FL, USA, March 2008, p. 11,
https://medievalists.net/2017/10/agatha-clerical-wife-wet-nurse-kin...
2 Cara Kaser, ‘The Clerical Wife: Medieval Perceptions of Women in the Eleventh and Twelfth
Century Church Reforms’, PSU McNair Scholars Online Journal, 1, No. 1 (2004), p. 199,
https://pdxscholar.library.pdx.edu/mcnair/vol1/iss1/4/. 3 Janelle Werner, ‘Just as the Priests Have Their Wives: Priests and Concubines in England, 1375-
1549’. (PhD thesis, University of North Carolina, 2009, p. 35,
https://cdr.lib.unc.edu/concern/dissertations/qj72p752g. 4 Kaser, Clerical Wife, p. 196. 5 Werner, Priests, p. 55. 6 Ibid. 7 Werner, Priests, p. 56.
women were declared concubines and any children illegitimate. Again, the laity were
banned from attending masses conducted by married men, and clerics indulging in
sex were guilty of the sin of incontinence.8
Once again, enforcement proved difficult, and there was some violent resistance. By
the end of the twelfth century, most minor clergy were still married men, and many in
major orders were openly conducting ongoing relationships with women. In 1224,
some twenty years after Godfrey de Lucy’s death, the Statutes of Winchester once
more banned fornicating priests from celebrating mass unless they had made
confession and done penance. These Statutes again threatened clergy who kept
concubines with loss of benefice and of holy orders.9
More worldly concerns operated alongside spiritual ones. Church authorities feared
that the existence of a wife and children might distract the priest from his duties, and
that tithes and even freehold property might be diverted from parish needs to the
maintenance of his family and to their inheritance. More alarming still was the
potential development of clerical dynasties which could wield undesirable power and
influence over church affairs.10 Papal reformers believed that clerical marriages
assimilated clergy to their surroundings and led to a desire for hereditary
succession.11 This was not an unfounded worry: the two sons of Richard of Ilchester
(e.1173-1188), Godfrey’s predecessor as Bishop of Winchester, both became
bishops, and hereditary transfer of benefices continued to flourish during the
thirteenth century despite explicit prohibition. For example, the benefice of Eye in
Herefordshire passed down within one family from 1150 to 1254.12
These reforms, during their implementation and eventual establishment, came at a
cost. The persistent opposition to them suggests that many of the relationships
condemned by the church as concubinage were long and faithful unions. Families
were broken up, children lost legitimacy, and clergy wives, in particular, lost their
social standing, their husbands, children, homes and their honour.13 The twelfth
century jurist Gratian mentions enslavement to the church as an appropriate
punishment for clergy wives and offspring.
The union of Godfrey and Agatha was about as heavily prohibited in canon law as it
was possible for it to be. Nonetheless, they escaped the terrible penalties and
8 Ibid.
9 Werner, Priests, p. 24. 10 Turner, Agatha, p. 9. 11 Christopher Brooke, Medieval Church and Society. London: Sidgwick & Jackson, 1971, p. 73. 12 Julia Barrow, The Clergy in the Medieval world – Secular Clerics, Their Families and Careers in
North-Western Europe, C.800-1200. New York: Cambridge University Press, 2016, p. 338: The
benefice was initially held by one Adam, who passed it to his son Osbert, and then to his grandsons,
first Osbert the Younger and then Roger. Roger’s grandson Philip became parson of Yarpole rather
than Eye, but seems to have felt that he had been cheated of his hereditary right to Eye, since he
tried to sue the Abbot of Reading for the advowson (the right to present an incumbent) on the
grounds that his ancestor Osbert (which Osbert is not clear) had held both the manor and the
advowson, and had presented Roger.
13 Brooke, Medieval Church, p. 70.
deprivations to which they should have been subjected, as did no less than three
other bishops who were contemporaries. Geoffrey’s own predecessor as Bishop of
Winchester was Richard of Ilchester (a.k.a. Richard Toclive, died 1188) who was the
father of two sons who both became bishops; Herbert Poer or Poore of Salisbury,
and Richard who was bishop of Chichester and then Herbert’s successor at
Salisbury. Geoffrey Ridel of Ely (d. 1189) could not attend his own investiture in
Rome because he had married a wife.14 Hugh de Puiset of Durham (d. 1195) was a
nephew of King Stephen and Henri de Blois and had a long liaison with Alice or
Adelaide de Percy by whom he had two sons. All these men played important roles
in public life, and so did their children.
So how did Godfrey progress despite his personal life? Family background, social
position, intellectual ability, and administrative efficiency seem to have played a
significant role. His family had status (his father, Richard de Lucy, known as “the
Loyal”, had been Chief Justiciar of England) and Godfrey inherited wealth. He was
valued by Henry II (1154-1189), became a royal justice and received a long string of
ecclesiastical preferments, including election to the bishoprics of Lincoln and Exeter.
But he was passed over at Lincoln on the wishes of the king and rejected Exeter
because of its income, which he considered insufficient to meet the expenses of the
position.15 At first Godfrey flourished under Richard I (1189-99), bearing the king’s
linen cap at his coronation, and being appointed Sheriff of Hampshire, and
Constable of both Portchester Castle and Winchester Castle. Richard also
nominated him to the see of Winchester in 1189, at which point he may have
repudiated Agatha: her marriage to William may have been compensation for this.
However, while Richard was absent on crusade, Godfrey fell out with William de
Longchamp, who was Justiciar of England, and at odds with his co-Justiciar, Hugh
de Puiset, the Bishop of Durham. Godfrey supported de Puiset (who also had a longstanding clergy wife). Longchamp deprived Godfrey of his shrievalty, his castles and
his paternal inheritance, though he later restored the latter; when Longchamp (by
now Papal Legate) was deposed in 1191, Godfrey reacquired the castles. In a flurry
of confused tit-for-tat reprisals Pope Celestine III excommunicated Godfrey, along
with Prince John and other enemies of Longchamp’s.16 Godfrey then joined other
senior clerics who excommunicated John in 1194 when the prince raised an abortive
rebellion against his brother. On Richard’s return from captivity Godfrey again lost
his shrievalty, castles and also some lands, though he was able to buy the latter
back from the king. He was again eminent under King John (r. 1199-1216), taking
part in the coronation and witnessing charters.
17 The end of his life was marked by
the achievement for which he is perhaps best-known today: the building of the
retroquire at Winchester.
14 Edmund Venables, revised by Ralph Turner, ‘Lucy, Godfrey de (d. 1204)’, Oxford Dictionary of
National Biography (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2006) online edition.
15 Venables, de Lucy. 16 Venables, de Lucy. 17 Venables, de Lucy.
In a more personal context, Agatha’s role within Eleanor of Aquitaine’s household
and the extraordinary degree of favour and social elevation which she received at
the queen’s hand also served to protect them both from ecclesiastical sanction.
Nonetheless, that Agatha could be married to William of Gaddesden at an unknown
date was a clear indication that her union with Godfrey was not regarded by the
church as a legal marriage, since Godfrey was alive at the time.
It seems that if the erring cleric had sufficient status and political influence the church
was willing to turn a blind eye to sexual transgressions, in regard both to his career
and the status and progress of his family. Godfrey wielded immense power and
influence in his lifetime. His eldest son Geoffrey obtained entry to his own highly
successful career in the church despite his illegitimacy on the grounds that he was
the product of a “clandestine but otherwise legitimate marriage”, though canon law
plainly made that impossible.
18 His younger son Philip’s application for a papal
dispensation allowing him to be ordained to any church office below bishop was
backed by no fewer than six bishops, again in outright defiance of canon law.
On many levels the relationship of Godfrey and Agatha remains an astonishing story,
which, though not widely known, has attracted attention from several historians.
They are no doubt grateful for the fact that he was the first English bishop who
systematically dated his letters!

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Godfrey de Luci, Bishop of Winchester's Timeline

1118
1118
Luce, Normandy, France
1169
1169
1177
1177
Newington, Kent, England (United Kingdom)
1204
September 1204
Age 86
Ongar, Essex, England