Judith von Sülichen, Grafin von Bavaria

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Judith von Sülichen (im Sülichgau), Grafin von Bavaria

Also Known As: "Jutta im Sülichgau", "Jhutte Von Shulichgau", "of Sulichgau"
Birthdate:
Birthplace: Lombardy, Italy
Death: June 28, 987 (92-93)
Kelheim, Lower Bavaria, Bavaria, Germany
Immediate Family:

Wife of Arnulf I, duke of Bavaria
Mother of Eberhard, duke of Bavaria; Arnulf II, count palatine of Bavaria; Heinrich von Bayern, Duke; Judith von Sülichgau; Heinrich II Margrave of the Nordgau & Schweinfurt and 1 other

Managed by: Pam Wilson (on hiatus)
Last Updated:

About Judith von Sülichen, Grafin von Bavaria

Her ancestry is unknown. There are several theories about her ancestry:

  1. She was a daughter of Eberhard, Graf im Sülichen
  2. She was a daughter of Burkhard von Ratisbonne
  3. She was a daughter of Eberhard di Friuli [this is not likely due to a huge age gap]

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Medieval historians Peter Stewart and Todd Farmerie weigh in:

From: taf <taf@clearwire.net> Subject: Re: Eberhard di Friuli vs Eberhard von Sulichgau Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 15:42:38 -0700 (PDT) References: <49a81d94-127c-406c-bdd2-79daca1cbd7d@s2g2000vby.googlegroups.com>

On Sep 10, 10:37 am, Pam Wilson <wilson...@mindspring.com> wrote:

Another disambiguation--am trying to wade through a jumble of sources
to determine if Eberhard Marchese di Friuli vs Eberhard graf von
Sulichgau were indeed the same person or were different persons.
Adding to the confusion are wives both named Gisela and daughters
named Judith.

Concomitantly is the question: are Judith di Friuli and Judith im
Sülichgau the same? I have found many sources claiming them to be the
same, though I have also found conflicting death dates. In a 4 Jul
2001 post on this list (http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/GEN-
MEDIEVAL/2001-07/0994206392), Peter Stewart wrote:

"The Judith who was a daughter of Margrave Eberhard of Friuli and
Gisela of Francia was born ca 838 & died 863. She married in 852 as
his first wife the East Frankish Count Heinrich, margrave in Frisia
(born 830, killed in battle near Paris 20 August 886).

The other Judith who in ca 910 married Arnulf der Böse, duke of
Bavaria (born ca 885/90, died 14 July 937) was a daughter of Eberhard,
count in the Sülichgau & Gisela, whose exact parentage is not
established. Arnulf tried unsuccessfully to assert this Judith's
rights to the Lombard throne."

These are two completely different families, in completely different countries and living at different times. The names are just coincidence.

taf



http://ru.rodovid.org/wk/Запись:138041



Or born 900.

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Judith von Sülichen, Grafin von Bavaria's Timeline

894
894
Lombardy, Italy
912
912
Of Medieval States, Bavaria, Germany
913
913
Bavaria, Germany
917
917
Bavaria, Germany
919
919
Regensburg, Nordgau, Herzogtum Bayern, Ostenfrankenreich
950
950
Bavaria, Germany
987
June 28, 987
Age 93
Kelheim, Lower Bavaria, Bavaria, Germany
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