William I, Lord of Douglas

William of Douglas (d.c.1214) was a Medieval nobleman of Flemish origin living in Clydesdale, an area under the control of the King of the Scots.

The origins of William are uncertain, the first of the name of Douglas to appear on historic record. He appears as witness to a charter of Jocelin, Bishop of Glasgow in 1174 in favour of the monks of Kelso Abbey, at which time he was in possession of the Lands of Douglas.

Seen as son of Theobald le Fleming & Kersdale de Moravia without supporting evidence.

William I, Lord of Douglas

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William of Douglas (d.c.1214) was a Medieval nobleman of Flemish origin living in Clydesdale, an area under the control of the King of the Scots.

Contents [hide]

1 Enigmatic Origins

1.1 Sholto/William

2 Issue

3 References

3.1 Notes

3.2 Sources

[edit]Enigmatic Origins

The origins of William are uncertain, the first of the name of Douglas to appear on historic record. He appears as witness to a charter of Jocelin, Bishop of Glasgow in 1174 in favour of the monks of Kelso Abbey, at which time he was in possession of the Lands of Douglas.[1]

[edit]Sholto/William

David Hume of Godscroft in his history refers to the progenitor of the House of Douglas, Sholto. Gleaned from the works of Buchanan and Boece, Godscroft's narrative explains that during the reign of a King Solvathius, Sholto Douglas was instrumental in putting down an uprising by a usurper Donald Bain in 767AD, and as reward was granted the lands that would after be called Douglas.[2]

Both Balfour Paul and Maxwell agree that this origin tale is mythic, but do contest that William of Douglas was active at the time of the real rebellion of the Meic Uilleim, under their chief Domnall mac Uilleim. The earlier historians may have confused the mythic Donald Bain with Domnall Ban mac Domnaill, the penultimate Meic Uilleim chief.

This may be corroborated by the facts that the lands of Douglas marched with those of the leader of King William I of Scotland's retaliatory forces, Lochlann, Lord of Galloway. William may well have been a vassal of the Lord of Galloway. Furthermore, all of William's sons with the exception of the eldest were to hold privileged ecclesiastic positions within the former Meic Uilleim territories in Moray.

[edit]Issue

Archibald I, Lord of Douglas

Bricius de Douglas, Bishop of Moray

Alexander de Douglas, a canon of Spynie and vicar capitular of Elgin

Henry de Douglas, a canon of Spynie

Hugh de Douglas, a canon of Spynie, Archdeacon of Moray

Freskin de Douglas, Parson of Douglas, later Dean of Moray

[edit]References

[edit]Notes

^ Liber S. Marie de Calchou, Registrum Cartarum Abbacie Tironensis de Kelso Maxwell Vol I,p.6

^ Godscroft, Vol I. pp. 4-6

[edit]Sources

Balfour Paul, Sir James, Scots Peerage IX vols. Edinburgh 1907

Hume of Godscroft, David, A History of the House and Race of Douglas and Angus. II vols. London 1820

Maxwell, Sir Herbert, A History of the House of Douglas II vols. London 1902

Preceded by

unknown

Lord of Douglas

b.1174–c.1214 Succeeded by

Archibald I, Lord of Douglas

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[edit] Sholto/William

David Hume of Godscroft in his history refers to the progenitor of the House of Douglas, Sholto. Gleaned from the works of Buchanan and Boece, Godscroft's narrative explains that during the reign of a King Solvathius, Sholto Douglas was instrumental in putting down an uprising by a usurper Donald Bain in 767AD, and as reward was granted the lands that would after be called Douglas.[2]

Both Balfour Paul and Maxwell agree that this origin tale is mythic, but do contest that William of Douglas was active at the time of the real rebellion of the Meic Uilleim, under their chief Domnall mac Uilleim. The earlier historians may have confused the mythic Donald Bain with Domnall Ban mac Domnaill, the penultimate Meic Uilleim chief.

This may be corroborated by the facts that the lands of Douglas marched with those of the leader of King William I of Scotland's retaliatory forces, Lochlann, Lord of Galloway. William may well have been a vassal of the Lord of Galloway. Furthermore, all of William's sons with the exception of the eldest were to hold privileged ecclesiastic positions within the former Meic Uilleim territories in Moray.

William Douglas, 1st of Douglas; born 1174; died 1213. [Burke's Peerage]

Jim Weber copied the following from "Douglas Family" by Mark Freeman, freepages.genalogy.rootsweb.com/~markfreeman/douglas.html: "Notes for William de Duglas:

"The first recorded use of the Douglas surname was by William de Duglas, who signed numerous official charters between 1175 and 1213. William, who died in 1214, was the father to six sons and a daughter. Along with Archibald de Douglas, heir to the Douglas estates, there were Brice (Bishop of Moray), Alexander (Canon of Spynie and Vicar of Elgin), Henry (Canon of Spynie and Clerk of Bishop), Hugh (Archdeacon of Moray), Freskin (Dean of Moray), and Margaret.

"http://amg1.net/flemfam.htm

"Although William de Douglas was the first known owner of Douglasdale, holding that land between 1174 and 1213, there is no reason to doubt that his father was Theobaldo Flamatico or Theobald the Fleming. The family's arms indicate the kinship with Murray and a descent like that of Brodie and Innes, from a third son of the house of Boulogne. In Flanders there was a family of the Theobalds who were hereditary castellans of Ypres between about 1060 and 1127, after which their history becomes obscure. Theobald's lands in Scotland were granted to him soon after 1150 by the Abbot of Kelso. William de Douglas, the heir, having married the sister of Friskin de Kerdale or Freskin of Moray, had by her six sons; the five younger of them all went to Moray to support their uncle there and his own heir, Archenbald, stayed in Lanarkshire to inherit the Douglas estates. He married a daughter of Sir John Crawford."

Sources:

  1. Type: Web Site

     Author: Jim Weber

     Title: The Phillips, Weber, Kirk & Staggs Famlies

     URL: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jweber&id

     Date: Sep 19, 2010

     Detail: Jim Weber cites numerous sources for his data. See his posting for details. 

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The origins of William are uncertain, the first of the name of Douglas to appear on historic record. He appears as witness to a charter of Jocelin, Bishop of Glasgow in 1174 in favour of the monks of Kelso Abbey, at which time he was in possession of the Lands of Douglas.

Some believe him to be related to Freskin the Fleming, possibly a brother-in-law, and that both of them came from Flanders, and also possibly of/or connected with the House of Boulogne.

Sholto/William

David Hume of Godscroft in his history refers to the progenitor of the House of Douglas, Sholto. Gleaned from the works of Buchanan and Boece, Godscroft's narrative explains that during the reign of a King Solvathius, Sholto Douglas was instrumental in putting down an uprising by a usurper Donald Bain in 767AD, and as reward was granted the lands that would after be called Douglas.

Both Balfour Paul and Maxwell agree that this origin tale is mythic, but do contest that William of Douglas was active at the time of the real rebellion of the Meic Uilleim, under their chief Domnall mac Uilleim. The earlier historians may have confused the mythic Donald Bain with Domnall Ban mac Domnaill, the penultimate Meic Uilleim chief.
This may be corroborated by the facts that the lands of Douglas marched with those of the leader of King William I of Scotland's retaliatory forces, Lochlann, Lord of Galloway. William may well have been a vassal of the Lord of Galloway. Furthermore, all of William's sons with the exception of the eldest were to hold privileged ecclesiastic positions within the former Meic Uilleim territories in Moray.
Issue Archibald I, Lord of Douglas

Brice/Bricius de Douglas, Bishop of Moray 

Alexander de Douglas, a canon of Spynie and vicar capitular of Elgin 

Henry de Douglas, a canon of Spynie 

Hugh de Douglas, a canon of Spynie, Archdeacon of Moray 

Freskin de Douglas, Parson of Douglas, later Dean of Moray 

Scot's peerage shows his mother being born 1175. He was born 1145.

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Name William Douglas [1, 2] Title 1st Lord of Douglas Born 1145 Douglasdale/Hermiston, Midlothian, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location Gender Male Died 1213 Douglas, Lanarkshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location [1] Notes William I, Lord of Douglas From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search

William of Douglas (d.c.1214) was a Medieval nobleman of Flemish origin living in Clydesdale, an area under the control of the King of the Scots. Contents [hide]

• 1 Enigmatic Origins o 1.1 Sholto/William
• 2 Issue
• 3 References o 3.1 Notes o 3.2 Sources

[edit] Enigmatic Origins

The origins of William are uncertain, the first of the name of Douglas to appear on historic record. He appears as witness to a charter of Jocelin, Bishop of Glasgow in 1174 in favour of the monks of Kelso Abbey, at which time he was in possession of the Lands of Douglas.[1]

[edit] Sholto/William

David Hume of Godscroft in his history refers to the progenitor of the House of Douglas, Sholto. Gleaned from the works of Buchanan and Boece, Godscroft's narrative explains that during the reign of a King Solvathius, Sholto Douglas was instrumental in putting down an uprising by a usurper Donald Bain in 767AD, and as reward was granted the lands that would after be called Douglas.[2]

Both Balfour Paul and Maxwell agree that this origin tale is mythic, but do contest that William of Douglas was active at the time of the real rebellion of the Meic Uilleim, under their chief Domnall mac Uilleim. The earlier historians may have confused the mythic Donald Bain with Domnall Ban mac Domnaill, the penultimate Meic Uilleim chief.

This may be corroborated by the facts that the lands of Douglas marched with those of the leader of King William I of Scotland's retaliatory forces, Lochlann, Lord of Galloway. William may well have been a vassal of the Lord of Galloway. Furthermore, all of William's sons with the exception of the eldest were to hold privileged ecclesiastic positions within the former Meic Uilleim territories in Moray.

[edit] Issue

• Archibald I, Lord of Douglas
• Bricius de Douglas, Bishop of Moray
• Alexander de Douglas, a canon of Spynie and vicar capitular of Elgin
• Henry de Douglas, a canon of Spynie
• Hugh de Douglas, a canon of Spynie, Archdeacon of Moray
• Freskin de Douglas, Parson of Douglas, later Dean of Moray

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Father Theobald Le Fleming, b. 1120, Aldingham Manor/Lancashire, England Find all individuals with events at this location, d. 1193, Hermiston, Midlothian, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 73 years) Relationship natural Mother Kersdale de Moray, b. 1175, Elgin, Moray, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location

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