Chaddock & Elizabeth Gordon are likely the same?

Started by Dan Cornett on Wednesday, October 26, 2011
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10/26/2011 at 9:43 PM

See: http://www.hillfamilymd.org/Family/ps15/ps15_090.htm ... this is one which lists both Elizabeth and Caddock [sic] as the same person .. with Ruth as a possible alias!? It is one of the better documented web pages, and lists two teenage sons who came to America from Scotland after Ninian's marriage to

See: http://www.krystalrose.com/kim/BEALL/ninian1.html for a reference to Elizabeth with son Thomas, who married Elizabeth Bateman

See: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=REG&db=dowfa... for a reference to Chaddock with daughter Mary. A related record for Ninian (http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=dowfa...) also shows 2nd wife and some of the children attributed, including a Thomas (but with no dates) who also married an Elizabeth Bateman.

See: http://www.theharmons.us/harmon_t/b757.htm which lists Chaddock (d. Scotland) & Ninian as having 4 children: Mary, Thomas, Jane, & John. It also lists Ninian as having wife Elizabeth, with no children. Wife Ruth is listed with 8 children, so the total of 12 is consistent with others online references ... just not all agreeing as to the proper mother.

See: http://akeyamni.familytreeguide.com/descend.php?personID=I1250&... for more that agrees with 4 children of Chaddock & Ninian.

See: http://gennotes.150m.com/beall.html for a view that two sons from Scotland and two daughters in Maryland are "fiction"; this another 'compiled' source.

See: http://www.ronulrich.com/rfuged/fam03401.htm ... which lists Mary as daughter of Ruth, but that Mary & James as born in Scotland, while Ruth was born in Maryland. That seems to further the conjecture that Mary & James are children of E./C. Gordon; however, some of the other dates and locations vary between Scotland and Maryland for the children; unless they traveled back & forth a lot, I consider this unlikely, thus making birth dates or locations dubious from this reference.

10/26/2011 at 10:12 PM

See: http://dgrawrock.tripod.com/dwg%20site%20one-p/p58.htm ... which supports 3 by 1st wife and 10 by 2nd wife (Ruth).

10/28/2011 at 7:41 AM

By eliminating the son of Elizabeth born after she died (which looks to have been confused with the son John born of Ninian's 2nd wife Ruth), it seems there are just 3 children of Elizabeth/Chadock & Ninian: Mary (1657ish), Jane (1658ish), and Thomas (1659ish). If there was a John of this union, it was more likely to be an older sibling (1647ish).

11/2/2011 at 5:17 AM

Hmmm ... after adding some timeline events (such as Battle of Dunbar in 1650 and servitude in MD), it is far less likely that Ninian had any children in Scotland while in servitude in Maryland. (see the "About" for Ninian)

This helps to sort out the children ... and brothers ... more clean up to be done now!

3/10/2012 at 9:41 AM

Thank you for being on top of this and cleaning it up. It needed it. Accuracy is a great thing.
Paula

4/13/2012 at 12:54 AM

This leads us to Barbados, where the governor at the time was a Philip Bell. Not only that, but prior governors were a Chaddock and a More (Moore). I think the Barbados clue should be investigated, although this country has only been independent for the past 100 years and may not have kept or located any records. Barbados was a property of England, though, so perhaps that is where the search and answers might lie.

4/13/2012 at 1:06 AM

There was another battle in the war with Cromwell called the Battle of Maidstone in 1648. Cromwell won and took many prisoners at this battle and they were also sent to Barbados. I mention this because the booklet by Caleb Magruder issued at the presentation of the monument in Washington DC, states that Ninian Beall had a coat of arms. When I looked it up it was for the Bealls of Maidstone (which is in England, not Scotland). Magruder stated that this was an incorrect arms and mentioned another one that was Scottish, but research with the Lord Lyon of Arms in Scotland indicates there was never any such arms and never one given to any Beall, Bell, or Beale. There has never been any birth record found of Ninian in Scotland, either.

I am of the opinion, now, that he was never Scottish at all. All the Scot names of his properties sold often were named for the person THAT BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, not necessarily from where Ninian was from. Such names as Widow's Mite, Darnall's Grove, Haddock's Hill, Wickham's Purchase, Maiden's Dowery,etc. were named for the Scottish immigrants that bought the property. Ninian being a very shrewd man, I can well imagine he would give Scottish names to properties being bought up by Scots! They probably would not have been interested in properties names after English places.

4/13/2012 at 1:24 AM

Here is another reason: the red hair and great height of Ninian, often mentioned but tends to be disregarded by some historians. The fact is that Pictish redheads are not usually extremely tall. They are numerous in Scotland but are usually of average height and wiry build. The Hightland Scots tend to have dark curly hair and blue eyes, although the west coast they are often stockier and have straight brown hair.

England was originally overtaken by William the Conqueror in 1066. These are the folks who introduced feudalism to England and Scotland and build all the castles. These people were quite tall, slim, and dark as they still are today in Northern France.
But some, especially if from what is now Holland but was once part of Normandy, were very tall and blond, red headed, and even dark haired.
One ancient king, Rollo, was measured at six feet six inches when his body was re-inturned in a church. I have met many Dutch who are six foot four to almost seven foot tall, and it is not impossible that Ninian's family was of this section of Europe before settling in Kent, the shire where Maidstone is located.

After all this, pure conjecture on my part, we are left with only the name Ninian - a Scottish saint whose name seems to rather uncommon in either Scotland, or England (don't know about Ireland, though, but if he had some of the "blarney" in him, it might be possible to look there). I am now wondering is it could be possible he made it up - just to appear as a "saint" for aiding all those Scotchmen in finding their American properties.

10/21/2017 at 6:02 AM

Dan,
I found where Alexander Graham Bell did research on Beall Lines. He seemed to think they were from Scotland. Please see added photo of where Mr Bell did research.
Billie

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