Elizabeth Marian Baillie (Wallace) - William Wallace's child

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Private User
4/5/2013 at 7:24 PM

I do not mean to raise questions, but how do you know this is William Wallace's child? And where did you find your information? I ask out of curiosity not out of speculation. Please answer me because this is a topic I'm truly interested in. Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,

J Chapman

PS please send your reply to jennycliffhanger86@msn.com

Private User
4/7/2013 at 5:19 AM

Considering who he was it would make sense that he would shelter her and possibly make it difficult to make the connection.

My grampa told me I was related to William Wallace when I was a kid before the movie ... so it meant little to me ... he told my dad that too and his dad told him and so on.... also mentioned George Washington.. ... and other names... so this was before ancestory.com and all that so I trust his message that was passed down.

as I look on here I see there was at least something to what he was saying..

4/7/2013 at 8:41 AM

Sir William Wallace of Elderslie, Kt.

Sir William "Braveheart" Wallace, Kt. is your 21st great grandfather.

William Wallace

Birth:
January 1272
Elderslie, Paisley Parish, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Death:
August 23, 1305 (33)
The Elms at Smithfield, London, Middlesex, England

Immediate Family:
Husband of Marion Cornellia Wallace (Braidfute) of Lamington
Father of Elizabeth Marion Wallace - Baillie

Curated by:
Ben M. Angel

Sir William "Braveheart" Wallace, Kt. is your 21st great grandfather.

Susan Lynne Schwenger
You

Lynda Mae Handy - Schwenger
your mother

james edward handy
her father

JAMES handy
his father

Marian Ruthven
his mother

ALEXANDER RUTHVEN
her father

ROBERT RUTHVEN
his father

JOHN RUTHVEN
his father

JOHN RUTHVEN
his father

John Ruthven
his father

George Ruthven
his father

William Ruthven
his father

William Ruthven
his father

Mary Gray
his mother

Marion Gray
her mother

Helen Ogilvy (Sinclair), Lady Ogilvy of Airlie
her mother

Margaret Sinclair
her mother

Adam Hepburn, Master of Hailes, Sheriff of Berwick
her father

Ellen Hepburn
his mother

Miss Wallace, heiress of Elderslie
her mother

Helen Wallace (Baillie) of Ederslie
her mother

William Baillie
her father

Elizabeth Marion Wallace - Baillie
his mother

Sir William "Braveheart" Wallace, Kt.
her father

4/7/2013 at 8:46 AM

here is a link to that genie: Sir William Wallace of Elderslie, Kt.

if you further rearch The Ruthven family - a lot of it; will make a lot of sense

Private User
4/7/2013 at 10:09 AM

Lord Richard Ball of Galloway was her son .. that's how my line arrives... yes pretty cool.

4/7/2013 at 2:04 PM

Stacey; we also share this great grandfather - Thomas Holland, 2nd Earl of Kent

4/8/2013 at 5:46 AM

we too! ;-)

Thomas Holland, 2nd Earl of Kent is your 19th great grandfather.
You
→ Linda Sue Cox
your mother → Gladys Mae Kelley
her mother → Vivian Kelley
her mother → Floyd Cromer
her father → William Cromer
his father → Harrison Cromer
his father → Sarah Cromer (Covault)
his mother → Timothy Covalt
her father → Abraham Covault Colt
his father → Abraham Covalt (Colt II)
his father → Susannah Colt (Risley)
his mother → Richard Risley
her father → Richard Risley
his father → Anne Hyde
his mother → Beatrice Calverly
her mother → Elizabeth Calverley
her mother → Joyce Middleton
her mother → Joyce Tiptoft
her mother → Joyce de Cherleton
her mother → Alianore (the elder) Holland, Countess of March, Baroness Cherleton
her mother → Thomas Holland, 2nd Earl of Kent
her father

For- William Wallace
This is an odd connection.... but probably, someone working on the line... and changing the paths... temporarily.

Sir William "Braveheart" Wallace, Kt. is your first cousin 23 times removed's wife's father.
You
→ Linda Sue Cox
your mother → Gladys Mae Kelley
her mother → Vivian Kelley
her mother → Floyd Cromer
her father → William Cromer
his father → Harrison Cromer
his father → Sarah Cromer (Covault)
his mother → Timothy Covalt
her father → Abraham Covault Colt
his father → Abraham Covalt (Colt II)
his father → Susannah Colt (Risley)
his mother → Richard Risley
her father → Richard Risley
his father → Anne Hyde
his mother → Beatrice Calverly
her mother → Elizabeth Calverley
her mother → Joyce Middleton
her mother → Joyce Tiptoft
her mother → Joyce de Cherleton
her mother → Alianore (the elder) Holland, Countess of March, Baroness Cherleton
her mother → Alice FitzAlan, Countess of Kent
her mother → Richard FitzAlan, 10th Earl of Arundel
her father → Alice de Warenne, Countess of Arundel
his mother → William de Warenne, Earl of Surrey
her father → Isabella de Warenne, Baroness of Bywell
his sister → Sir William Baillie, 2nd of Hoprig
her son → Elizabeth Baillie
his wife → Sir William "Braveheart" Wallace, Kt.
her father

Private User
4/8/2013 at 11:13 AM

Thomas Holland, 2nd Earl of Kent is your 21st great grandfather.

5/29/2013 at 9:49 PM

someone has made changes to this lineage ???

it is correct as:

Sir William "Braveheart" Wallace, Kt.

Sir William "Braveheart" Wallace, Kt. is your 21st great grandfather.

William Wallace

Birth:
January 1272
Elderslie, Paisley Parish, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Death:
August 23, 1305 (33)
The Elms at Smithfield, London, Middlesex, England

Immediate Family:
Husband of Marion Cornellia Wallace (Braidfute) of Lamington
Father of Elizabeth Marion Wallace - Baillie

Curated by:
Ben M. Angel

Sir William "Braveheart" Wallace, Kt. is your 21st great grandfather.

Susan Lynne Schwenger
You

Lynda Mae Handy - Schwenger
your mother

james edward handy
her father

JAMES handy
his father

Marian Ruthven
his mother

ALEXANDER RUTHVEN
her father

ROBERT RUTHVEN
his father

JOHN RUTHVEN
his father

JOHN RUTHVEN
his father

John Ruthven
his father

George Ruthven
his father

William Ruthven
his father

William Ruthven
his father

Mary Gray
his mother

Marion Gray
her mother

Helen Ogilvy (Sinclair), Lady Ogilvy of Airlie
her mother

Margaret Sinclair
her mother

Adam Hepburn, Master of Hailes, Sheriff of Berwick
her father

Ellen Hepburn
his mother

Miss Wallace, heiress of Elderslie
her mother

Helen Wallace (Baillie) of Ederslie
her mother

William Baillie
her father

Elizabeth Marion Wallace - Baillie
his mother

Sir William "Braveheart" Wallace, Kt.
her father

but, that is NOT how it is NOW showing ???

5/30/2013 at 9:05 AM

S***** L**** Schwenger -- It seems there was a parent conflict resulting from a merge at the John Ruthven, son of George ... which you could have easily seen by tracing the path.

The 'path finding' of Geni does not try to progress past parental conflicts -- they have to be resolved.

I resolved that conflict (the father George needed a merge); no special curator powers -- just an ordinary merge resolving -- which can happen often in the Geni tree as new members add their connections into the Geni World Tree.

Since there are several "side-steps" in the path you noted, the automatic path search may not re-create it as you've shown, but the path certainly should be able to "follow you" as you go step-by-step from yourself back to Sir William. I found the conflict by using the Tree View (+2, +1 generations view preference) and stepping along the path you provided -- then the conflict (yellow triangle) was obvious.

5/22/2014 at 12:36 PM

Is there a source for the parents being Sir Alan Wallace and Jean Wallace. Everything I have shows Malcolm Wallace and Margaret Crawford as his parents. See Blind Harry's poem. Also see:

http://www.clanwallace.org/wallace-crawford-connections.pdf

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Crawford-517

http://www.electricscotland.com/history/nation/William%20Wallace.pdf

https://www.uni-due.de/~lan500/movies/braveheart/content/williamwal...

5/22/2014 at 4:18 PM

See this discussion:
http://www.geni.com/discussions/112748?msg=878336

"A. McGowan established in 1999 that Sir William Wallace was the
son of one Alan Wallace [1]. As Bruce McAndrew wrote in 'Scotland's
Historic Heraldry', there is a letter from the Guardians of Scotland
(Sir William Wallace and Sir Andrew Murray) to the Hanseatic cities of
Lubeck and Hamburg dated to fall 1297, which still bears the seal of
the Guardian, Sir William Wallace:

' The cast of the seal displays A bow and arrow and
the legend reads as [WILLELM]VS FILIVS ALANI WALAIS,
negating the usual story that his father was
Sir Malcolm Wallace of Elderslie. [2]"

And, "William Anderson, "The Scottish Nation: or the
Surnames, Families, Literature, Honours and
Biographical History of The People of Scotland", three
volumes in 1860s, pp 173-174 has lots to say about the
consecutive lineages of the Baillie of Lamington.
(Google Books seems to find it...)"

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