Monument to the Saunders Children

Started by John Smith on Tuesday, March 11, 2014
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John Smith
3/11/2014 at 1:27 PM

I am currently very interested in creating and/or accurately completing profiles for the Saunders/Sebright families and associated persons.

http://www.hertfordshire-genealogy.co.uk/data/places/places-f/flams...

John Smith
3/11/2014 at 2:01 PM

Please let us NOT post our relationships to the profiles mentioned unless there is a pertinent point to be made by doing so.

"Trolls" and other trouble-makers are not welcome here.

Also it would be nice not to have to field endless nonsensical questions from uninformed members.

John Smith
3/12/2014 at 12:53 AM

The Lyttleton's are problematic.
Seems like they might not actually be connected . . .

John Smith
3/12/2014 at 12:58 AM

"Weever gives an account of three very ancient tombs in this Church, only one of which remains;"
Nice.

"look list"

*Richard Pearce, Esq., who died 1800, aged 79

*Johannes Oudeby, Rector of this Church, who died May, 1414

*Bartholomew Fouke (sic), who was Master of the Household to Queen Elizabeth and King James 1., and died July 19th, 1604, aged 60

John Smith
3/12/2014 at 1:08 AM

Fowke.

From http://www.history.ac.uk/resources/office/greencloth_mast

The position under Elizabeth is obscure. No master was appointed at her accession (6)but the term was again being used in the latter part of her reign. Thus Anthony Crane described himself as Master of the Household in his will of 1583 (7) while Bartholomew Fowke is so described in 1601 and in particular in the queen's funeral list of 1603. (8) Fowke's monumental inscription (1604) states that he was 'Master of the Household to Queen Elizabeth for many years and to King James that now is'. (9) A somewhat obscure passage of 1600-1 appears to indicate that the term Master was no more than an alternative description of one of the Clerks of the Green Cloth at this date. (10)

A distinct office of Master appears only to have re-emerged during the reign of James I. The lists of offices of the counting house suggest that this development had occurred by 1605 (11) and it may be that Fowke received this appointment on the accession of the king in 1603.

John Smith
3/12/2014 at 1:16 AM

Oudeby.

This as appears from the inscription preserved by Salmon marks the place of interment of Johannes Oudeby who was a Rector of this Church and died on the seventh of May 1414

and better descriptions of the church interior with insrciptions

http://books.google.com/books?id=M6AMAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA247&lpg=...

John Smith
3/12/2014 at 1:25 AM

google translate from the Latin

Thomas Saunders of Beechwood Learning the greatest of sinners, believing in a divine goddess, whatever their earthly providence that governs the planning and most of the future disposition of the Redeemer of the world that Jesus Christ is the ultimate judge of Helena, the daughter and heir of Robert Sadlieri with the Sopewella famous and ancient family of six in this country Robert Thomas, John Hannah, Helen, Helen, whose five children receive, namely the parents have died and she only has a small survival it is God that there can be nothing more than a monument in their pious memory, which is a sign of love and care and kindness if they had lived to be mourning for the certain hope of set confident that he would be the heir to the heir to the kingdom of Heaven and earth, does not leave the body, although these have reached a comfort that they added this to the kingdom of heaven

John Smith
3/12/2014 at 2:35 AM

Pearce.

Mary, wife of Richard Pearce, Brewer, of Westminster, died December 5th, 1786 aged 59
Richard Pearce died January 16th 1800 aged 79
Thomas Pearce lord of the manor of Flamstead eldest son of the above died November 16th 1802 aged 50
Richard Pearce rector of Husband's Bosworth Leicestershire son of Richard Pearce Esq died January 3rd 1814 aged 55
Thomas Pearce Esq of Redbourne died May 15th 1827 aged 80

http://books.google.com/books?id=AIc1AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA111&lpg=...

John Smith
3/12/2014 at 1:23 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Littleton_baronets

"Three Baronetcies have been created in the Baronetage of England for members of the Littleton or Lyttelton family. All three lines are descended from Thomas de Littleton, a noted 15th-century jurist. Despite differences in spelling of the title, the names of all three lines were spelt in many varied ways in the early modern period, without distinction between the different branches of the family. This can be confusing, as the range of forenames in use was very limited."

John Smith
3/12/2014 at 2:08 PM
John Smith
3/12/2014 at 4:08 PM

http://www.thepeerage.com/p1235.htm#i12349

Brig.-Gen. Sir Charles Lyttelton, 3rd Bt.1

M, #12349, d. 2 May 1716

Last Edited=16 Feb 2011

Brig.-Gen. Sir Charles Lyttelton, 3rd Bt. was the son of Sir Thomas Lyttelton, 1st Bt. and Catherine Crompton.2 He married, firstly, Catherine Fairfax, daughter of Sir William Fairfax, before 1662.2 He married, secondly, Anne Temple, daughter of Thomas Temple, on 23 May 1666.2 He died on 2 May 1716.2
He held the office of Governor of Jamaica in 1663.2 He held the office of Governor of Harwich in 1667.2 He held the office of Governor of Sheerness in 1680.2 He held the office of Member of Parliament (M.P.) for Bewdley between 1685 and 1687.2 He succeeded to the title of 3rd Baronet Lyttelton [E., 1618] on 24 June 1693.2

Children of Brig.-Gen. Sir Charles Lyttelton, 3rd Bt. and Anne Temple
1.Sir Thomas Lyttelton, 4th Bt.+2 d. 14 Sep 1751
2.Charles Lyttelton2 d. 16 Aug 1712
3.Cary Lyttelton1 d. 18 Apr 1741
4.Mary Lyttelton3
5.Anne Lyttelton2

John Smith
3/12/2014 at 4:09 PM

Charles Lyttelton1

M, #14579, d. 16 August 1712

Last Edited=16 Feb 2011

Charles Lyttelton was the son of Brig.-Gen. Sir Charles Lyttelton, 3rd Bt. and Anne Temple.1 He married, secondly, Anne Saunders, daughter of Thomas Saunders and Ellen Sadleir, after 1702.1 He died on 16 August 1712.1

John Smith
3/12/2014 at 4:10 PM

Anne Saunders1

F, #174866, b. 27 April 1670, d. 25 December 1718

Last Edited=20 Jan 2013

Anne Saunders was born on 27 April 1670.1 She was the daughter of Thomas Saunders and Ellen Sadleir.1 She married, firstly, Sir Edward Sebright, 3rd Bt., son of Sir Edward Sebright, 2nd Bt. and Elizabeth Knightley, circa 24 March 1687/88.2 She married Charles Lyttelton, son of Brig.-Gen. Sir Charles Lyttelton, 3rd Bt. and Anne Temple, after 1702.2 She died on 25 December 1718 at age 48.1
From circa 24 March 1687/88, her married name became Sebright.1 From after 1702, her married name became Lyttelton.2

Children of Anne Saunders and Sir Edward Sebright, 3rd Bt.
1.Sir Thomas Saunders Sebright, 4th Bt.+1 b. 11 May 1692, d. 12 Apr 1736
2.Anne Sebright+3 b. c 1701, d. 18 Sep 1764

John Smith
3/12/2014 at 4:30 PM
John Smith
3/12/2014 at 5:52 PM

Right now translating from the Latin several pertinent passages preserved for posterity from the interior of the church at Flamstead.
Of course "grab and paste" programs need to be corrected for error of process to ensure accuracy.

John Smith
3/12/2014 at 5:52 PM

Thomas Saunders de Beechwood arm peccatorum maximus credens in unum Deam divina sua providentia terrena quecunque gubernantem et sapien tissime disponentem et in Redemptorem Mundi Jesum Christum die ultimo futu rum judicem cum ex Helena filia et haerede Roberti Sadlieri de Sopewella clarae et antiquae in hoc agro familiae sex liberos susceperit viz Thomam Robertum Helenam Johannem Annam Helenam quorum quinque ante parentes decesse runt et Anna tantiim parvula superstes existit cui Deus propitius sit In eorum piam memoriam quibus nihil amplius dari possit monumentum hoc ut signum amoris curae et beneficentiae si vixissent futurae lugens posuit spe certa con fidens se futurum heredem regni ccelorum et licet h corpore haeredem in terris non relinquit hanc tamen consolationem assecutus quod ex se additur regno ccelorum

John Smith
3/12/2014 at 5:53 PM

MSE Thomas Saunders filius natu maximus Gulielmi Saunders de Londino generosi fratris Thomae Saunders de Beechwood in hac parochia armigeri et Abigalis uxoris ejus filiae Thomae Saunders de Hadnam in com Bucks armigeri Obijt 15 Feb anno Dom 1690 1 aetatis suae undecimo In dolis optimae ac maximae spei luctus nunc olim deliciae parentum Hie juxta reconditur Gulielmus vix bimestris filius natu minor Gulielmi supradicti

John Smith
3/12/2014 at 5:54 PM

To the memory of Richard Pearce late of Milbank Street Westminster Brewer and Lord of the Manor of Flamsted who lieth buried in the family vault in this Church yard He died January 16 1800 aged 79 years having the character which he well deserved of a tender Husband a good Father a true Christian and a sincere Friend

John Smith
3/12/2014 at 5:56 PM

Four almshouses facing the church were built and endowed by the Saunders family on the front of which are two portraits in stone defaced They are for two widowers and two widows who have five pounds per annum out of lands called Gately Grounds
Yours etc JSB

John Smith
3/12/2014 at 6:09 PM

Here lyeth the body of Sir Bartholomew Fouke knight who served Kinge Edward Queen Mary and was Master of the Houshold to Queen Elizabeth for many years and to Kinge James that now is in memorye of whose vertuous life worthy eternal remembrance Edward Fouke gent his brother hath erected this Monument Obiit xix Iulii 1604 aetatis suae 69

John Smith
3/12/2014 at 6:11 PM

Flamstead 1812 Part I pp 210 2n The small remains of the once market town of Flamstead are pleasantly situated on a hill about twenty seven miles on the turnpike road leading from London to Dunstable anciently called Verlamstedt owing it is supposed to the river Vere or Verulum or Verlume washing the foot of the hill In the time of King Edward the Confessor Leofstane Abbot of St Alban's gave this manor to three knights Turnoth Waldof and Turman but in the time of William the Conqueror Ralph de Thony Todeny Tony or Toni his standard bearer at the battle of Hastings held it as appears from Domesday Book In Danais Hund Ralf de Todeny holdeth Flamstede for two hides of land Camden states it to have been granted to the father of Ralf It was the chief place of his residence He married the daughter of Simon de See Progresses of Queen Elizabeth vol iii p 601

John Smith
3/12/2014 at 6:13 PM

Montford and dying left a son Ralf who married the daughter of the Earl of Huntingdon and Northumberland his heir Roger was his heir and married the daughter of the Earl of Hainault Ralf was disinherited by King John for assisting the Barons yet came into favour again and was restored by Henry III Robert his successor in the sixth generation 27 Edward L obtained a charter of that king for a market on Thursdays and a fair on the eve day and morrow after the feast of St Leonard and five days following The present fair or feast is kept eleven days before the market has been long disused To the manor as Robert died 3 Edward II without issue Alice his sister widow of Thomas Leyborn was found heir and married to Guy de Beauchamp Earl of Warwick whose heir was the famous Guy who died near Calais 43 Edward III His heirs enjoyed this a long time but male issue failing and Anne daughter of the Duke of Warwick dying young his sister Anne inherited who was married to Richard Nevil Earl of Salisbury who had with her the title of Earl of Warwick This Richard dying at Barnet field temp Edward IV the estate fell to the Crown His countess 3 Henry VII possessed it again after the death of her daughters Henry VIII granted it to George Ferrars and his heirs from whom it came to Sir John Ferrars and Knighton Ferrars of Beyford whose daughter Katharine married to Thomas Lord Fanshawe Lord and Lady Fanshawe sold it to Serjeant Edward Pecke from him it descended to William his son of Stamford in Essex who left a son William and he disposed of it to Mr Pearce whose second son is the present lord of the manor The church see Plate I is dedicated to St Leonard It is in the hundred of Dacorum and deanery of Berkhamsted valued in the King's books at 41 6s 8d a rectory impropriate anciently in the Crown part in the University of Oxford and part in the Sebright family of Beechwood Park the former granted it by lease to them that they should find a curate to officiate in the church King James I granted the reversion to trustees for Mr Gunsty curate therein in 1618 by lease for forty two years The church stands high Leland says that riding through a thorough fair on Watling Street not far from Mergate Market Street he saw in a pretty wood side St Leonard's on the left hand etc It is built in the Gothic style of flints and courses of tiles supposed to be Roman alternately part plastered with a square tower at the west end surmounted with a high leaded spire and vane and a clock dial on the north side The building is uniform consisting of a nave two side aisles north and south porch and a chancel at the end with a vestry on the north side lofty ceiling formerly two stories in which is a piscina door into the chancel near which is a handsome monument by Flaxman close to the altar Faith and Hope at top and an urn in the centre inscribed as follows Flamstead 245

John Smith
3/12/2014 at 6:15 PM

Sacred to the memory of Sir Edward Sebright third baronet descended from William Sebright of Sebright Hall in the county of Essex and of Blakeshall in the county of Worcester in the reign of Henry II He died December 15 1702 aged 36 years and was interred in a family vault at Besford Court in the county of Worcester He left issue four children Thomas Edward Anne and Helen Dame Anne Sebright only surviving daughter and sole heir of Thomas Saunders esq of Beechwood in the county of Hertford and Helen Sadler of Sopewell in the same county relict of Sir Edward Sebright third Baronet She died December 25 1719 aged 49 years Her remains are deposited in her family vault in this church Sir Thomas Saunders Sebright fourth Baronet died April the 12 1736 aged 44 His remains are deposited in the family vault in this Church He left issue two sons Thomas and John Dame Henrietta Sebright relict of Sir Thomas Saunders Sebright Baronet and daughter of Sir Samuel Dashwood Knight died March 21 1772 and her remains are deposited in the vault in this church Edward Saunders Sebright Esq second son of Sir Edward Sebright bart travelling through France was murdered by robbers near Calais December 12 1723 aged 25 His remains were brought to England and are deposited in the family vault in this church Sir Thomas Saunders Sebright fifth Baronet son of Sir Thomas and Dame Henrietta died unmarried October 30 1761 aged 38 His remains are deposited in the family vault in this church

John Smith
3/12/2014 at 6:18 PM

Killed by Pirates?
Biography?

(from the above post)
"Edward Saunders Sebright Esq second son of Sir Edward Sebright bart travelling through France was murdered by robbers near Calais December 12 1723 aged 25 His remains were brought to England and are deposited in the family vault in this church"

John Smith
3/12/2014 at 8:57 PM

http://books.google.com/books?id=cy4QAAAAYAAJ&pg=PT156&lpg=...

THE SEAT OF SIR JOHN SAUNDERS SEBRIGHT BART This estate is situated in the parish of Flamsted in the hundred of Dacorum and was anciently called Woodchurch or St Giles in the Wood from a Benedictine nunnery founded here for a prioress and ten nuns by Roger de Toni in the reign of king Stephen The possessions of this priory were subsequently increased by other benefactions and at the suppression of the smaller religious houses in the time of Henry VIII the annual revenue according to Speed was 46 16s Id The manor was then granted to Sir Richard Page Knight whose daughter and heiress marrying Sir Skipwith they afterwards conveyed this estate to Thomas Saunders Esq of Puttenham from whose family it passed in marriage to Sir Edward Sebright third baronet descended from William Sebright of Sebright Hall in the county of Essex and of Blake's Hall in the county of Worcester in the reign of Henry n Sir Edward died in 1702 and was succeeded by Sir Thomas Saunders Sebright from whom it has descended to the present proprietor A great part of the park extends into the adjoining county of Bedford and as its name implies particularly abounds with fine old beech The oak also flourishes here The mansion is modern built about fifty years since in the compartment of the pediment are quarterings of the Sebright family The apartments it contains are both convenient and elegant The library is well furnished and in the collection are all the original papers relating to the priory the manuscript of Humphrey Lloyd together with other valuable documents The present proprietor of Beechwood has devoted much attention to agriculture The farm here contains about 700 acres the buildings and offices belonging to it are remarkably well arranged In the parish church which is dedicated to St Leonard are several memorials of the family of the present and former proprietors of Beechwood At the top of the south aisle is a very elegant marble monument of Thomas Saunders de Beechwood it has six figures viz five on the pedestal and one in the centre of the pavement below all in kneeling postures a banner at top with a red cross There have been two others Four almshouses facing the church were built and endowed by the Saunders family on the front are two portraits in stone defaced They are for two widowers and two widows who have 51 per annum out of lands called Gately Grounds The rectory of Flamsted was granted by lease to the Sebright family from the University of Oxford on condition that they should find a curate to officiate in the church of St Leonard 3 p4

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