John Harris - @John Harris

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Private User
5/31/2017 at 6:12 PM

This John Harris was not son of Edward Harris and Marthe Hardy. There really was no John Harris who died in 1712. There was one who died in 1711 in Chowan Co., NC and another UNRELATED one who died in 1713 in Isle of Wight, sons of Thomas Harris d1688 and Thomas Harris d1672 respectively..

5/31/2017 at 9:53 PM

Detached and letting him float. I see a tree that has him married to Elizabeth Church.

Private User
6/2/2017 at 2:06 PM

He is the one that married Elizabeth Church and Margaret Hobbs that died in 1713.

6/2/2017 at 3:36 PM

That was quite a birth date difference. :).

Merged, and added 2nd wife profile: Elizabeth Harris

Private User
6/2/2017 at 7:55 PM

No that is incorrect. He was born c1555 before his mother Eleanor George died before 1669. The 1635 birth date was predicated on his being the son of Thomas Harris d1677 which has been proven false decades ago.

6/3/2017 at 7:27 PM

That makes more sense. Updated.

Private User
6/3/2017 at 7:34 PM

Typo, I meant he was born c1655, sometime between his father emigrated in 1650 and by 1660 when his mother Eleanor George was dead.

6/3/2017 at 7:43 PM

Yes, I figured you meant c 1655. I can make it "between" dates 1650 - 1659 & I'll add Lancaster.

Was it Thomas Fiveash who married Alice Harris or Peter? Thought I'd start looking for that family on Geni.

I'm having computer trouble viewing Chapman's Marriages, but this should be the page:

https://books.google.com/books?id=IG6xMMZO4MIC&lpg=PA18&ots...

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From https://walterfitzgilbertdehamilton.wordpress.com/2017/02/25/adamsh...

Francis Hobbs (f-in-law of Thomas Harris, son of Thomas Harris, d. 1672), and wife Mary sold to Edward Brantly 675 ac. betwixt land of Thomas Tooke, Francis England, Col. Nathaniel Bacon and the orphans of Thomas Murray. Feb. 8, 1667. William Groves: appraisal by John Harris, Edward Brantley, Elias Fort, Edward Grantham. Presented by Mrs. Elinor Groves. R. Feb 9, 1678.

1. John Fiveash, m. Joyce Pettway, da. of Edward Pettway, as Will 27 Jan. 1686.
1.1. Thomas Fiveash. James Pyland witnesses the will of Thomas Fiveash, dated 4 Jan. 1725.
1.2. Peter Fiveash, appraisal 28 Apr 1702 by William Thomas, John Brantley, and Richard Hardy. Thomas Harris, Will recorded 13 Nov. 1672, appointing relict Alice as exc. Security John Newman and Edward Brantley.
1.2.1. Thomas Fiveash, m. (1712) Alice Harris, da. of John Harris. (DB. 7, p. 288). He was the son of Thomas Harris, d. 1672.
1.3. Francis Fiveash, m. Phillis Fort, da. of George Fort and Elizabeth Duckworth; she m. 2. Robert Symes.

Private User
6/4/2017 at 8:17 AM

I have trouble accepting any of the Chapman abstracts unless you can find the references cited in the original document. In this case the original documents said Peter Fiveash was the husband, not Thomas. I also do not accept any of works posted by Michael Stanhope. He has at least three different wives for Thomas Harris d1688, does not accept that he had brother Edward Harris d1677 and make other assumptions based only on similar names in England with those in Isle of Wight, with absolutely no evidence to prove that the same person in England is the same person that was in Isle of Wight. He has been requested frequently over the past decade to provide such evidence but has provided none.

6/4/2017 at 12:06 PM

I've been looking into how the Fiveash researchers configure the family & since not much existed on Geni, consider it a skeleton / work in progress, perhaps.

6/4/2017 at 12:12 PM

I just found the Col. William Groves referred to: "Presented by Mrs. Elinor Groves. R. Feb 9, 1678.".

Colonel William Groves

Private User
6/4/2017 at 4:29 PM

My mistake, Alice Harris married Thomas Fireash and not Peter as documented in the 1995 John Brayton book. But she died and her 1/3 portion of the 300 acres she and her two sisters inherited from their father John Harris was split between the two sisters. The 4 Jan 1726 Will of Thomas Fireash mentions no wife or children, only bequeaths to other Fiveash relatives and Alice's step sister Martha Harris who never married. So there were no children from this marriage. Haven't tried to research the line of this John Harris any further since there are no male Harris descendants.

Private User
6/4/2017 at 4:39 PM

AS usual, Michael Stanhope had things backwards. Frances Hobbs was NOT the father in law of Thomas Harris, son of Thomas Harris d1672. He was the father in law of John Harris, son of Thomas Harris d1672. This is typical of how he tries to connect different lines of Harris to one another when DNA proves they are distinct different lines.

6/4/2017 at 7:13 PM

Yes, I saw that in the note, and I think I annotated with a [SIC: John] in the profile.

Private User
6/5/2017 at 8:30 AM

Also, the daughter Ruth was born 4 Nov 1679 to wife Margart Hobbs. Laney had written a confusing Harris paper that got copied by many, including Michael Stanhope, Dale Coleman and Bob Fulgram. Laney had followed the old John Boddie claim of all Harris in Isle of Wight were of one family, which DNA had proven false. Using these sources in the profile is a disservice to anyone looking for accurate information.

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