John Harris - @John Harris

Detached and letting him float. I see a tree that has him married to Elizabeth Church.

He is the one that married Elizabeth Church and Margaret Hobbs that died in 1713.

That was quite a birth date difference. :).

Merged, and added 2nd wife profile: Elizabeth Harris

No that is incorrect. He was born c1555 before his mother Eleanor George died before 1669. The 1635 birth date was predicated on his being the son of Thomas Harris d1677 which has been proven false decades ago.

That makes more sense. Updated.

Typo, I meant he was born c1655, sometime between his father emigrated in 1650 and by 1660 when his mother Eleanor George was dead.

Yes, I figured you meant c 1655. I can make it "between" dates 1650 - 1659 & I'll add Lancaster.

Was it Thomas Fiveash who married Alice Harris or Peter? Thought I'd start looking for that family on Geni.

I'm having computer trouble viewing Chapman's Marriages, but this should be the page:

https://books.google.com/books?id=IG6xMMZO4MIC&lpg=PA18&ots...

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From https://walterfitzgilbertdehamilton.wordpress.com/2017/02/25/adamsh...

Francis Hobbs (f-in-law of Thomas Harris, son of Thomas Harris, d. 1672), and wife Mary sold to Edward Brantly 675 ac. betwixt land of Thomas Tooke, Francis England, Col. Nathaniel Bacon and the orphans of Thomas Murray. Feb. 8, 1667. William Groves: appraisal by John Harris, Edward Brantley, Elias Fort, Edward Grantham. Presented by Mrs. Elinor Groves. R. Feb 9, 1678.

1. John Fiveash, m. Joyce Pettway, da. of Edward Pettway, as Will 27 Jan. 1686.
1.1. Thomas Fiveash. James Pyland witnesses the will of Thomas Fiveash, dated 4 Jan. 1725.
1.2. Peter Fiveash, appraisal 28 Apr 1702 by William Thomas, John Brantley, and Richard Hardy. Thomas Harris, Will recorded 13 Nov. 1672, appointing relict Alice as exc. Security John Newman and Edward Brantley.
1.2.1. Thomas Fiveash, m. (1712) Alice Harris, da. of John Harris. (DB. 7, p. 288). He was the son of Thomas Harris, d. 1672.
1.3. Francis Fiveash, m. Phillis Fort, da. of George Fort and Elizabeth Duckworth; she m. 2. Robert Symes.

I have trouble accepting any of the Chapman abstracts unless you can find the references cited in the original document. In this case the original documents said Peter Fiveash was the husband, not Thomas. I also do not accept any of works posted by Michael Stanhope. He has at least three different wives for Thomas Harris d1688, does not accept that he had brother Edward Harris d1677 and make other assumptions based only on similar names in England with those in Isle of Wight, with absolutely no evidence to prove that the same person in England is the same person that was in Isle of Wight. He has been requested frequently over the past decade to provide such evidence but has provided none.

I've been looking into how the Fiveash researchers configure the family & since not much existed on Geni, consider it a skeleton / work in progress, perhaps.

I just found the Col. William Groves referred to: "Presented by Mrs. Elinor Groves. R. Feb 9, 1678.".

Colonel William Groves

My mistake, Alice Harris married Thomas Fireash and not Peter as documented in the 1995 John Brayton book. But she died and her 1/3 portion of the 300 acres she and her two sisters inherited from their father John Harris was split between the two sisters. The 4 Jan 1726 Will of Thomas Fireash mentions no wife or children, only bequeaths to other Fiveash relatives and Alice's step sister Martha Harris who never married. So there were no children from this marriage. Haven't tried to research the line of this John Harris any further since there are no male Harris descendants.

AS usual, Michael Stanhope had things backwards. Frances Hobbs was NOT the father in law of Thomas Harris, son of Thomas Harris d1672. He was the father in law of John Harris, son of Thomas Harris d1672. This is typical of how he tries to connect different lines of Harris to one another when DNA proves they are distinct different lines.

Yes, I saw that in the note, and I think I annotated with a [SIC: John] in the profile.

Also, the daughter Ruth was born 4 Nov 1679 to wife Margart Hobbs. Laney had written a confusing Harris paper that got copied by many, including Michael Stanhope, Dale Coleman and Bob Fulgram. Laney had followed the old John Boddie claim of all Harris in Isle of Wight were of one family, which DNA had proven false. Using these sources in the profile is a disservice to anyone looking for accurate information.