Katzenelenbogen family from Lubavichi

Victor Вяткин Dr. Neil Rosenstein's opus, "The Unbroken Chain" documents the descendants of Rabbi Meir Katzenellenbogen (MaHaRaM) of Padua (1482–1565) and Rabbi Judah Lowe (MaHaRaL) of Prague through 22 generations.

See: https://www.geni.com/projects/The-Unbroken-Chain-by-Dr-Neil-Rosenst...

Author Contact: Dr. Neil Rosenstein:

http://www.neilrosenstein.com

neil@tali.com,

Dear Malka Mysels,

I have this book and I already asked Mr. Rosenstein about Lubavichi. Unfortunately he has no information about this line of Katzenelenbogen family.

Malka Mysels what doy you're know about Maharam daughters.. And the connection to maharal son in law Itzhak Katz?

Private User Unfortunately so much has been lost from that period. ie.
"The Maharam Dies, Would Live Long Enough to See the Talmud Burned
A low-grade spat over a book of commentary by Meir of Padua culminated in the Vatican ordering Jewish law books burned throughout the Catholic domain."
read more: https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/this-day-in-jewish-history/.premium-...

Your discussion https://www.geni.com/discussions/175017
seeking sources for Fiegela Katz being daughter of mahram of Padua focused needed renewed attention to the area. The outline of the major rabbinical tree was sketchingly added almost a decade ago, and as archives continue to open up, and the number of researchers increase, sources are being added, and the integrity of tree is being increased.

Also, often because of the similarity of names sometimes wrong branches are connected.
Could it be that someone mistook Maharam for Maharal? As Feige and Katz appear in both. eg.
Maharal of Prague’s daughter “Feige” Vogele Katz (2nd wife), [Maharal dau. #8]

was married to

Rabbi Yitzhak haKohen Katz, [Maharal s.in law]

son of

Rabbi Shimshon Katz

married to,

Fiegela Katz

Just a thought????

Perhaps worth referring to the earlier overlapping discussion at https://www.geni.com/discussions/174162

Dear Private User,

Thanks for advise. I did non guess it.

I created new discussion looking for Chabad sourses.

Malka Mysels thanks for your thoughts . Its hard for me to believe that people would confuse Maram with the Maharal. There are some erlier sources than geni for the connection

http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=41549&st=&pgnu...=

Neil Rosenstein disesteemed this source saying that Ansel doesn't bring his sources.

My doubt is whats a good source? We dont have metrical records for the 1500s , so is all ichusim or kevarot.

Also why the Katz family would make up that connection when they have a incredible ichus themselves? (Maharal-R Akiva meBudin,etc)

Hi! I am looking for Gita Davidovna Katzenelenbogen, born 1898 in Lyubavichi. She had at least three siblings: Itzko Katzenelenbogen, born in Lyubavichi and died in 1966 in Holon, Israel and Solomon Katzenelenbogen, born on June 7, 1901 in Lyubavichi and died in Moscow, and Faina, born in Lyubavichi, died in Leningrad. I know that one of her brother was a doctor in Moscow in 1940, but not sure who it is, it could be Solomon.

Victor Вяткин where did you find the birth record for Itzka Ruvin Dovidovich Katzenelenbogen? What an amazing document!

Just to be clear, my great-grandmother Faina Markovna Rivkina (1919-1999) was a second cousin to Gita and her siblings. Trying to find out how they're related to us. I've been in contact with Gita's descendants in Israel.

My great-grandmother's parents were Meir Gershovich Rivkin (1871-1942) and Mira Isaevna Bogatyreva (died in the 1940's in Moscow). They were both born in Lyubavichi.

Dear Alexander, I am happy to read your message!

Itzka-Ruvim son of David K. from Lubavichi Itzka Ruvin (Yehuda Itzchak) Dovidov Katzenelenbogen seems to be cousin of my great grandfather David son of Haim David Efimovich Katzenelenbogen

I heard that Itzko mooved to Israel while his father David son of Itzko Dovid Itskov Katzenelenbogen and his mother died in Moscow. I was on their tombstone last year. I recived document about Itzko in Riga archive.

I met info about Solomon son of David. He was military doctor during WW2. Now clear it is your Solomon.
I know Lev son of David (my grandfather aslo was Lev son of David, and visited older Lev in Moscow in 1960s).
So there was also Gita and Faina.

I will add this info to our tree here.

I got cousin Inbal who lives in Israel ang also interested in family history Inbal Zidkiahu- sade

I will contact Inbal.

Nice to expand our tree, waiting for your updates Victor, so it'll be clearer to me...

Inbal Zidkiahu- sade
I have updated information about family of Dovid Itskov Katzenelenbogen at the tree.

Alexander Luis-Kaminer one more thanks to your information. It absalutly match our part! Alexander, now we can build this part of tree close to our time if you have info about familyes of children of David Iyzkov.

Hi Victor! Did you find information about Shaya-Yuda Bogatyrev, the father-in-law of David Katzenelenbogen? If i find out about him and his family, I might be able to find something that mentions his son-in-law David Katzenelenbogen's patronymic.