Family of Trader John Watts

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4/11/2018 at 4:16 PM

I believe the tree starts here

Trader John Watts, Interpreter

4/11/2018 at 4:45 PM

Yes, it does and the bio is well documented. Starr did not attempt to record the Watts descendants, so the spouses and children are highly speculative. There are contemporary records that show he married a sister of Old Tassel and Doublehead, so that is correct, and son John Watts who was a Chickamauga chief is correct.

4/11/2018 at 4:48 PM

Can any of the other wives / children be consolidated / de parented? I thought Gi-Go-Ne-Li had been disproved as a wife of his?

Immediate Family:
Son of Francis Watts and Ann Watts
Husband of Gi-Yo-Sti (Moytoy) Watts; Wur-Teh; Sister of Corn Tassell and Gi-Go-Ne-Li Watts
Father of Nannie Moytoy, formerly Watts; Garrett Zachariah Watts; Sarah Watts; Susan Watts; Whiteman-Killer; Mother of Looney; Utsvtiselu Kai-Ya-Tah-Hee 'Onitositah' Kaallaha Corntassel, Uku of Chota; Chief John "Young Tassel" Watts; Tala-Dane-Giski Nettle Carrier; Daughter Corntassel; ???? (Watts) Corntassel; Thomas Watts and Nanyehi "Nannie" (Watts) Lowrey

4/11/2018 at 5:02 PM

And is it possible we're missing a wife & children?

Name: John Watts
Spouse: Joppe Stuard
Marriage Date: 8 Apr 1745
Source: South Carolina Magazine of Ancestral Research, Vol 5, # 3

The claim:

4/11/2018 at 5:12 PM

With that marriage date (1745, not 1754) She cannot have been the daughter of John Stuart "Bushyhead" b 1718

Revolutionary War in the Southern Back Country, The By James Swisher

4/11/2018 at 5:27 PM

That’s a new one for me! Susannah Emory and John Stuart had one child, Bushyhead. She also had children by two other men, Richard Field and John Martin. The first (white) John Watts may well have had a white family. Many (probably most) traders did since they actually lived in their white communities and only visited the Cherokee periodically. Taking a Cherokee ‘wife’ when in country gave them the status they needed to trade effectively, but no one minded if it was a new ‘wife’ every year. Only a few traders, such as Ludovic Grant, actually made their homes with the Cherokee.

4/11/2018 at 5:41 PM

John Stuart's "town" wife was Mary Fenwick I believe. Plantagenet Ancestry.

4/11/2018 at 6:06 PM

I’m going to be mostly off line after tonight, but here’s a start on Watts. All those children called something Corntassel look like Shawnee Heritage fakes to me. There is no ‘Corntassel’ family.
There was a chief named Nettle Carrier, no idea who the supposed child here is, but the real Nettle Carrier was not part of this family.
The only documented wife was the sister of Old Tassel (Corntassel) and Doublehead who was the mother of Chief John Watts.
Many believe that Ghi go ne li, mother of the Nannie/Nancy who married George Lowrey, was also his wife. I haven’t looked for real documentation for that claim. Nancy appears twice on the list of children.
Garrett Watts was not Cherokee, not sure if he’s a real but not Cherokee son or not
I’ve never seen Sarah or Susan before.
Wurteh (mother of Sequoyah) was daughter of Trader John Watts, not wife

4/11/2018 at 7:16 PM

That's a big help! Thank you, thanks so much for all the lessons, enjoy your travels, and "see" soon.

4/12/2018 at 11:28 PM

Can anyone find Sally Benge & her husband ?

4/12/2018 at 11:32 PM

I believe this tree is cleaned up now.

Trader John Watts, Interpreter
Son of Francis Watts and Ann (unknown) Watts
Husband of sister of Old Tassel and Doublehead and Gi-Go-Ne-Li Watts
Father of Chief John "Young Tassel" Watts; Wur-Teh Watts and Nanyehi "Nannie" (Watts) Lowrey

4/12/2018 at 11:51 PM

I do wonder if it’s possible Garrett Zachariah Watts was a son of Trader John by a town wife, Joppe Stuart, married in SC, 1745

4/13/2018 at 12:00 AM

Never mind. His real parents are here

“Forget Everything You've Read About Garrett Watts Being Cherokee.


The claims to Cherokee blood are entirely fraudulent and based solely on illegal land claims made by his grandson William Jefferson Watts after he illegally settled near Paw Paw Bottom in the Cherokee Nation.

There is absolutely nothing in the records to indicate that Garrett ever had anything to do with the Cherokees apart from killing them during the Revolution. ....”


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4/13/2018 at 12:23 AM

I found Jennie Gunter wife of Doublehead and Samuel Gunter...duplicates.
I have been working on connecting some Cherokee Tyners...proven and on the rolls Dempsey Tyner, Lewis B Tyner

Leticia Keys Gunter Tyner

Anyway, Tyner Gunter, Harris, Keys, Adair families seem to connect often and intermarry.
Some white native mixed bloods. Some tyners got on the rolls, some didnt.

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4/13/2018 at 12:25 AM

also Selachee Doublehead, Cherokee, daughter of a Doublehead is wife of Cheif George Colbert of the Chickasaw. Families intermarried.

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4/13/2018 at 12:29 AM

not to beat a dead horse, but found some Selfs in a few tree that I recently looked at related...have to check again. I read a few bloggs message boards where Chereokee Selfs enrolled as Choctaws. Not sure if can be proved but interesting.

4/13/2018 at 1:32 AM

Watts among the Cherokees          

The Watts name disappears in the east after the Trail of Tears.  The descendents who remained (in Georgia or Alabama) simply blended into the general population. John Watts (b.1785) was placed in Cherokee prison when he went west and was stripped of his tribal membership.  (Pardoned and restored after his death.)  A few Watts appear on the western rolls.

4/13/2018 at 4:29 AM

There are a number of Choctaws named Self. They are Choctaw, not Cherokee.

4/13/2018 at 4:40 AM

Doublehead did not have a wife name Jennie Gunter. He may have had as many as five wives, but only two are documented: Nannie/Nancy Drumgoole, and Kateeyah Wilson.

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4/13/2018 at 6:21 AM

Leticia Keys is mentioned here with Jenie Gunter ...Doublehead as well.

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4/13/2018 at 6:29 AM

this also lists Jennie Gunter and Keys family...Amotoy is listed...

Looks like some Creek families...
Sarah Brown ? maybe for the above Brown post.
Something to have a look at anyway

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4/13/2018 at 6:35 AM
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4/13/2018 at 6:37 AM
4/13/2018 at 11:23 AM

Fantastic job, Erica. Thanks so much to you and Kathie for cleaning up John Watts' tree.

Jamey, to keep us organized, let's try to keep these discussion threads from getting too tangled. So maybe you can raise specific questions about various other maybe-Cherokee ancestors in this discussion : rather than the one about John Watts, specifically. Thanks!

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4/13/2018 at 12:25 PM

Hi Pam Wilson (on hiatus), sorry, I was posting from my phone. I will try not bring any confusion on the threads. Going to take a break anyway and work on other things.

4/13/2018 at 2:45 PM

To continue the Trader John Watts family in the next generation, Geni is showing this for

Daughter of N.N. and Gi-Go-Ne-Li Watts
Wife of George C Lowery
Mother of Col. John Lowrey; Maj. George Lowrey, Principal Chief; Elizabeth "Betsey" (Lowery) Walker; Sarah 'Sally' (Lowrey) Rope; Nellie (Lowrey) Fawling; Aky (Lowrey) Burns; Jennie (Lowrey) Lowery and Susan Lowry

Nanyehi “Nannie” Lowrey

4/13/2018 at 3:06 PM

James Hicks early Cherokee relationships are largely undocumented and often unreliable. I think you are confusing two women. Jennie Gunter was probably the daughter of Edward Gunter. Her husband’s (Lewis Keys) mother, Elizabeth Riley, was the granddaughter of Chief Doublehead. Samuel Gunter was married to a woman named Ayoku; they had one son, George Washington Gunter. James Hicks thinks Samuel was also married to Jennie Harrison, no documentation, no children. Same for Doublehead and Jennie Harrison. No documentation, no children.

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4/13/2018 at 3:43 PM

I believe I am getting confused on the two Jennie's I posted here. Thank you
Kathryn Forbes

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