William Charles Neal - Query on death date of William Charles Neal

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William Charles NEAL died age 4 however he had relationships/marriages with
* Mary Ann Neal - Brown
* Harriet Jane Neal
* Mary Ann Neal - Brown
and had children
* Walter Thomas Neal
* Ethel Linda Neal
* Jessie A Neal
* Grace Victoria Burgess
* Herbert Roy Neal
* George Ernest Neal
* William Arthur Neal
* Mary Ann Bray

Could the profile managers please check his death date or if he had a brother born later with the same name who married and had children.

5/19/2018 at 10:02 PM

I believe the following is the facts

William Chales Neal

Birth NEAL WILLIAM CHARLES 6669/1871 CHARLES ELIZABETH BATHURST

Death NEAL WILLIAM C 4848/1875 CHARLES ELIZABETH BATHURST

Age 4 so all is good

Mary Ann Neal

is married to Harold Bray

4323/1909 BRAY HAROLD P NEAL MARY A CANTERBURY

Harriet Jane Neal - maiden Name Price is Married to William Thomas Neal

5844/1890 NEAL WILLIAM PRICE HARRIETTE ORANGE

Records from NSW Justice Registry

Am I being helpful ??

Should I do anything more

Regards

John Burgess

5/19/2018 at 10:13 PM

On reflection I believe William Thomas Neal was known as William Neal as per his marriage and death certificates and obituary
His birth certificate is NEAL WILLIAM T 4466/1857 THOMAS MARY A BATHURST

His father was Thomas

Regards

John Burgess

Thanks you are being very helpful

Taking the fixes one step at a time.
- William Charles Neal, infant son of Charles Neal and Hannah (Anna) Elizabeth Neal
died age 4 so did not marry.

I have created temporary profiles for the person/s who married Peter Brown
* spouse Mary Ann Neal - Brown
* daughter Mary Ann Bray who married Harold Pearse Bray

William Thomas Neal
* spouse Harriet Jane Neal
* children
** Walter Thomas Neal 1892-1965
** Ethel Linda Neal 1908-2000
** Jessie A Neal 1911
** Grace Victoria Burgess 1900-1949
** Herbert Roy Neal 1898-1972
** George Ernest Neal 1893-1982
** William Arthur Neal 1896-1917

William Thomas Neal
* spouse Mary Ann Neal - Brown

Question 1

Did Harriet Jane Neal marry William Thomas Neal and have children
* Walter Thomas 1892
* George Ernest 1893
* William Arthur 1896
* Herbert Royce 1898
* Grace Victoria 1900
* Ethel Linda 1908
* Jessie A 1911

Question 2

Who are the parents of Mary Ann Bray who married Harold Pearse Bray

I found the following information on Mary Ann NEAL

Born 1883 to ? NEAL and Mary Ann ? at West Macquarie
Daughter Eileen M BRAY born 1910 Burwood to Harold P BRAY and Mary A
Died 21/3/1972 Mary Ann BRAY born 1884 married to Harold Pearse BRAY - buried Morisset Cemetery
Mary A NEAL married Harold P BRAY in 1909 at Canterbury

https://www.ancestry.com.au/family-tree/person/tree/27357192/person... has her father as Peter BROWN 1855-1940 and mother as Mary Ann GARMENT 1859-1938. Peter Brown was the son of John Thomas BROWN 1811-1885 and Rosanna NEALE 1823-1869.
It has Peter BROWN and Mary Ann GARMENT as parents of
* Ada Rosa BROWN 1881-1904
* Mary Ann NEAL 1883-1972
* Ethel May NEAL 1886-1948
* Eva Jane GARMENT 1889-1975
* Gladys Elizabeth GARMENT 1893-1974
* William Harold GARMENT 1895-1967
* Herbert Austin GARMENT 1898-1986

5/20/2018 at 4:20 AM

This is my understanding

Mary Ann Neal is the daughter of William T Neal and Mary A Garment They were married in 1880 see 4434/1880 NEAL WILLIAM T GARMENT MARY A ORANGE and divorced in 1886
seeTRANSCRIPT (Images 0561-0566) Neal v Neal and Brown Affidavit Verifying Petition 10 Aug 1886 In the Supreme Court of New South Wales Divorce and Matrimonial Causes Jurisdiction Between William Neal, Petitioner And Mary Anne Neal formerly Mary Ann
Garment

Mary ann Neal was born in 1883

William T Neal l then married Harriet Jane Price in 1890 - see 5844/1890 NEAL WILLIAM PRICE HARRIETTE ORANGE and they had the children Walter Thomas George Ernest etc

Mary Ann Neal died 1938 age 79 and was known as Mary Ann Brown her son Harold Brown supplied the death certificate information

Mary Ann Neal's birth certificate states "mother is a married woman living apart from her husband and cohabiting with another man so she was illegitimate

I think we are both saying the same thing

With Elizabeth Lennard - I think it is the one husband - see 348/1851 V1851348 37 B HUGHES WILLIAM LENNARD ELIZABETH NC

see also Name: William Hughes
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Lennard
Marriage Date: 1851
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: Cydesdael, South Creek, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1851
Volume Number: V B

The petition for William and his family to be reunited with their father was in 1830 when William was 13 so he was born in1817

All very interesting

Regards

Johnburgess
All interesting

Thanks for the information - I have (I think) fixed the profiles

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