Francois Joseph Savoie SOLVED

OKAY, Mary, you have JUST crossed the line into overt fraud. The portrait on the left is Francisco Giacinto, all right - BUT the one on the RIGHT is not. It's his great(x)uncle Philibert I (17 August 1465, Chambéry – 22 September 1482), and *you have been caught faking evidence*.

https://www.savoydelegation-usa.org/early-dukes-of-savoy.html

Not even very clever, Mary, to misuse images from a website *you* have so often referred to, which can be so easily checked.

92% of your respondents wouldn't know the difference between 17th and 19th century clothing, either. But to anyone who knows *anything* about historical costuming, the adult figure on the left is quite clearly an adult *woman* in 1630s widow's weeds. In other words, Christine de Bourbon. It even *says so* on the coin itself, abbreviated down to "Chr." or "Chris.".

I don't care WHO cataloged them, Philibert I is ***NOT*** wearing 17th century clothes! What he *is* wearing is consistent with the late *** 15th *** century - AND YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD THIS BEFORE.

So yes, that *IS* Philibert (Filiberto) I, ***NOT*** Francesco Giacinto!!!!

That there is a strong family resemblance *should be expected*, considering how much cousin-marriage there was in the Savoy line - at least they had the smarts not to inbreed themselves into extinction, UNlike the Spanish Habsburgs.

As for facial feature analysis software, *that* science is still in its infancy and it is wrong as often as it is right - or oftener.

Just in case and for the record, here is a link to a side by side comparison from a set of engravings of the Dukes of Savoy, explicitly labeled and identified. The engravings were taken from the portraits under discussion. https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000185251322125

Philibert I is dressed in the height of fashion for the court of Lorenzo de' Medici (reign: 2 December 1469 – 8 April 1492).

Francis Hyacinth is dressed for the court of Louis XIII (reigned 1610-1643).

The difference in clothing styles is approximately 150 years.

Hi Maven and Erica. Long time no see. You can't do facial recognition on paintings. Period. You are analyzing a face that was interpreted by two different artists. Its scientifically not possible or pretty much nuts. I haven't here for ages because you have both allowed Mary Despres to run roughshod over this page with her trolling fantasies to support some bizarre agenda she has. I'm only here because she is still trying to troll the Acadian Project folks on WikiTree and they're not having it. They're response to her - "Shoo fly". About a year ago or so, she tried using Roberta Estes atDNA methods to triangulate 10-14 generations. Roberta has told her it cannot be done beyond 5 or 6 generations at best. And so Mary dropped that fantasy. But, amazingly, she is back on it, pushing that noodle on other sites. And if you recall, all the analysis she was doing using multiple trees of people on this page was a complete waste of time. Erica and I spent hours and days showing how all these supposed descendants trees were completely wrong, had huge holes in them, and in some cases, pure forgeries. Even Mary's own tree was a mess. I'm an awe of your patience with Mary's garbage. But at some point you have to realize she is all hat and no cattle and is not adding anything to the process.

We've been *trying* to discourage her, but she doesn't discourage. Geni is, if you ask me, *excessively* lenient with paying "head cases", but in this instance Mary may have gone just a bit too far. (We can hope....)

Hello Erica, I understand. However, I would still like to have a thread specifically for people to leave the Oral Traditions they received from their families about Francois Joseph Savoie. We can limit the thread to that specific topic.