Elizabeth Holland - Marriage of Elizabeth Holland to John FitzRandolph

Started by Neil Williams on Sunday, November 3, 2019
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11/3/2019 at 1:01 PM

Has any new evidence come to light recently to help prove the marriage of Elizabeth Holland to John FitzRandolph & Elizabeth as the mother of Ralph FitzRandolph? As much as I'd like to accept it for my family tree, it seems to be disputed on other ancestral websites. Any information would be gratefully received.

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11/3/2019 at 3:49 PM

https://archive.org/details/fitzrandolphtra00socigoog/page/n142?q=s...

https://archive.org/details/fitzrandolphtra00socigoog/page/n160?q=s...

''Fitz Randolph Traditions'', by Lewis Van Syckel Fitz Randolph (1907); p. 101 and p. 119

You haven't presented any reasons for disputing it (rational or otherwise); there appear to be some adequate sources for it here; and I don't expect the skeptics among us to accept this contribution unquestioningly; I only do so because I find it interesting (and for me at least, corroborative or maybe just a little helpful).

This old book also includes some nice illustrations, including a couple of lovely genealogical charts and a floor plan for Middleham Castle in Yorkshire.

There is one very generalized negative denouncement of the book, casual and curt, composed more than a century late, which I take with a grain of salt.

But at second glance, I would agree that there actually may be some duplicate spouses and possible duplicate children here and there, at this branch of the tree. Anyway:

"...the Dukedom descended through his brother John, who married Elizabeth, daughter of Thomas Holland, Earl of Canterbury. Their son was John, who was hero of the famous fight at Towton in the first year of Edward IV, and who married Anna, the widow of a near relative. Their son was Randolph, or Ralph, Duke of Westmoreland, who married Margery Booth of Barton of a noble Lancaster family. Their only son, again, was Ralph, or Randolph, whose wife's name was Edith. Their son was another Ralph, or
Randolph, who held the Dukedom of Westmoreland, and who married Catherine, daughter of Edward, Duke of Buckingham, and died in the fifteenth year of Henry VIII.

The following excerpt is from the line of inheritance:

"(16) John de Neville (died 1639) — Lord of Middleham. Who married Matilda Percy (The second of this noble family to become allied with the Neville-Fitz Randolph line).

"(17) Randolph de Neville — Lord of Middleham and first Earl of Westmoreland. Whose first wife was Margaret (daughter of Hugo), Lady Stafford — descended from Edward I

"— and whose second wife was Joan of Beaufort, daughter of John of Gaunt and granddaughter of Edward III. He died in 1435. By this second wife his posterity runs into and down the English royal line. (See page 36.)

"We now follow the posterity of the Earl of Westmoreland by his first wife, Lady Stafford.

"(18) JOHN (the children of whose brother Randolph were all daughters) married ELIZABETH, daughter of THOMAS HOLLAND, Earl of Canterbury. He died two years before his father, in 1433.

"(19) John, heir presumptive to the dukedom of Westmoreland. Was hero of the battle of Towton, in the year Hume speaks of him as duke in fact at the time of the battle, and of his being siain with the great Percy, Duke of Northumberland, and a near kinsman, and with Sir John Neville, brother of Westmoreland, and Dacres, another kinsman, 1461, and bravely lost his life there on the Lancastrian side. He had married Anna, the widow of John de Neville."

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