Thomas Bliss, Jr. - @Thomas Bliss, Jr.

This profile is not locked as a master profile, you may change it yourself via "Edit Profile" , I for one have no objections, The referenced Ancestry profile carries 1590 in Glousteshire

Although I find many user (not necessarily reliable) online sources with dates of birth from 1680-1685, more reliable sources have 1590-1595:

https://www.foundersofhartford.org/the-founders/thomas-bliss-sr/
has the c. 1590 date (note the c.)

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bliss-1
Scroll down for some very detailed and interesting information!
"In Hale, House and Related Families[3] Jacobus analyzes the available information and concludes that Thomas was born between 1590 and 1595, location in England unknown but possibly Painswick, Gloucestershire."

The very reliable Jacobus book is at this link - https://archive.org/details/halehouserelated00jaco/page/476.
Page 477 seems to say that Thomas of Rehoboth was born in 1590. Thomas of Hartford's birth is estimated to be 1590-1595, based on several events of his life. But it seems there is no actual record of his birth. And there is no evidence that the two were in the same family!

Erica Howton, can you shed any light on this and make the appropriate changes? I know you will have a lot more resources and knowledge than I do!

There are many Thomas Blisses and are often confused and relationships damaged by the user, so it would be helpful if you included the Geni URLs of those you mention.

Another source to check is Aaron Tyler Bliss's 3 volume set of Bliss Family in America.

Floyd Bliss Hanson

Here is a source with the first 2 generation revised (and the original X'ed out):
https://archive.org/details/genealogyofbliss00blis/page/28
It gives the dates for Thomas of Rehoboth as c 1589 - 1640.

This source
https://archive.org/details/blissbookromanti00hopp/page/n159
claims that Thomas of Hartford was brother of George of Newport and cousin to Thomas of Rehoboth. Geni has Thomas of Rehoboth as brother of George.

Info for Thomas or Rehoboth is locked.

Thank you for all the information Linda! And also once I read some other sources it appears that c1590 should be correct. This is the Thomas Bliss off Hartford and as far as I can tell from other sources his parents should be listed as UNKNOWN. I don’ find any source that actually determines specifically where he was born but most sources list Gloucester. He probably should be disconnected from the Thomas Bliss of Rehobeth as this particular file connects him as a half brother. So this is incorrect as far as I can tell. Thanks Prof. Hampton for the additional links. Thomas Bliss of Hartford is the ancestor I’m concerned with. I’ll post the Geni url asap. Thanks everyone!

I’ve disconnected Thomas Bliss, of Hartford as son of John Bliss, of Preston Capes & Alice Smith - closely he doesn’t belong in that family.

But I’m confused. Prof. Hanson had been very careful to clarify that Thomas of Hartford was Jr in England & Sr in America.

So what happened to his Thomas Bliss of Gloucestershire father?

Ah - I see he had been disconnected as son of Thomas Bliss (Sr. in UK)

Why? Should he be put back?

And our locations aren’t matching.

I put him back as son. Except for the location issue, this would put him in the right relationship as source Linda referenced:

This source
https://archive.org/details/blissbookromanti00hopp/page/n159
claims that Thomas of Hartford was brother of George of Newport and cousin to Thomas of Rehoboth. Geni has Thomas of Rehoboth as brother of George.

What’s the evidence for his mother’s name?

wife of Thomas Bliss

I’ve been reading more. Here are some points re: origins & family of Thomas Bliss of Hartford:

https://www.ancestry.com/boards/thread.aspx?o=0&m=1218.2.1.1.1....

- Thomas of Rehoboth and George of Newport are brothers. A connect to Thomas of Hartford has not been established.

https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/bliss/1528/

Connecticut was probably a native of Co. Gloucester, England and we now think he lived his adult life prior to emigrating in the City of Gloucester.

First wife? Margaret wife of Thomas Blisse was buried 4 Jun 1621 at St Nicholas church in Gloucester. Thomas had children by his first marriage to Margaret (maidenname unknown)

THOMAS born c 1618
ANN born c 1620.
Sarah christened 23 Ap 1620 at St Nicholas.

Thomas then married Margaret Hulins of Rodborough at Gloucester St Nicholas 18th Oct 1621. Their son Nathaniel was baptised at Rodborough 28th Dec 1622.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bliss-1

The father of Thomas Bliss was not Thomas of Belstone. He did not come from Belstone Park

Thomas of Hartford, was not the man from Daventry / Preston Parva, son of John.

Margaret Lawrence was a made up person. Given name Margaret is known from the will of Thomas of Hartford. Lawrence was an assumption because they named a son Lawrence, but this was a common enough given name.

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Do we agree that he should be “parents unknown?”

(Plenty of citations given on the links referenced)