William Ruthven, 1st Earl of Gowrie, 4th Lord of Ruthven - T

but there is only '14' ? or 13

book written

GOWRIE AND RUTHVEN PAPERS
DATED 1867
Private Impression

London,
Printed by
J.E. TAYLOR & CO.
Little Queen Street, Holborn
1867

NOW; i'll post what the book says

james 2

john 3

alexander

william -

patrick

elizabeth (woodford)

1st lady Margaret

2nd lady Mary

3rd lady Sophia

4th lady Jean

5th lady Beatrix

6th lady Isabel

7th lady Dorothea

HOW MUCH of what is showing up here is correct ???

William Ruthven MP
Gender: Male
Birth: estimated between 1513 and 1573
Ruthven Castle, or Huntingtower, Perthshire, Scotland
Death: May 04, 1584
Stirlingshire, Scotland (Beheaded for high treason in kidnapping of King James VI in the Raid of Ruthven.)
Immediate Family:
Son of Patrick Ruthven, 3rd Lord Ruthven
and Janet Douglas

Husband of Dorothea Stewart of Avondale

Father of

Lady Lilias Ruthven
;
Lady Dorothea Ruthven;

Lady Katheryn Ruthven;

James Ruthven, 2nd Earl of Gowrie;

John Ruthven, 3rd Earl of Gowrie;

Alexander Ruthven;

William Ruthven;

Patrick Ruthven;

Mary Ruthven;

Margaret Ruthven, Countess of Montrose;

Sophia Ruthven;

Jean Ruthven;

Isabel Ruthven;

Beatrix Ruthven

and

Lady Barbara Ruthven

Brother of Patrick Ruthven, Master of Ruthven;
George Ruthven;
Col. Archibald Ruthven;
James Ruthven;
Alexander Ruthven;
Jean Ruthven
and
Isobel Ruthven

Half brother of James Ruthven
(mother NOT known)

QUESTION:
IS THE SON WILLIAM HERE
KNIGHT WILLIAM ???
SON of William Ruthven, 1st Earl of Gowrie 4th lord of ruthven ???

Having now checked into this family history it is ay more complicated than before with current date extending the lineage. I wonder of the connection a William Ruffin has to Virginia in 1666. Any body have an idea - Amanda Ford, Charleston,SC

Having now checked into this family history it is ay more complicated than before with current date extending the lineage. I wonder of the connection a William Ruffin has to Virginia in 1666. Any body have an idea - Amanda Ford, Charleston,SC

NO, I think Anne (the curator) and Neal determined that "ruffin" line isn't "Ruthven"
- however, i'm looking to see if it runs into a 'higher' level of stewart / and, i';ve not gotten that far in research - we have matched John Ruthven, in Canada, Ontario - who went to the usa, I have found his gravestone, and, it matches our date of birth for him - in the cdn records - plus I got copies of his service / etc., this is a big one; as; a lot of people thought he connected to maybe; ruffin ?

perhaps, NEAL will be kind enough to post 'the old ruffin profile' - so; you and I can research it

William Ruthven, 1st Earl of Gowrie, 4th Lord of Ruthven

Neal, Anne and Myself - have documents to prove up to here
John Ruthven, Music Master in Glasgow

and, I recently put up 49 documents - to be sorted into the lines where they go

@John Ruthven, Music Master in Glasgow

Another old form of Ruthven is RiVEN
Mr. John Ruthven, Music Master in Glasgow is your 7th great grandfather.
You
→ Lynda Mae Handy - Schwenger
your mother → James Edward Handy Jr.
her father → James Edward Handy Sr.
his father → Marion or "Merne" Ruthven - Handy - Satchell
his mother → Alexander Ruthven
her father → Robert Ruthven
his father → John Ruthven, Weaver in Glasgow
his father → John Ruthven, secundus, Grocer in Glasgow
his father → Mr. John Ruthven, Music Master in Glasgow
his father
AND; WIFE AS Marion Peadie

I found a document with riven/peadie - the other day

any idea how to tag Erica howton ???

Erica Howton

We have determined that the Ruffin stuff - stands alone
on the Ruffin discussion - but; information there still needs to be expanded
and, checked - and; then profiles launched for proper people !!!
from 1600 TO current date
(however; there were records I found of Ruffin going into 1200's)
I will post those to the Ruffin thread

There is NO connection to RUFFiN and RUTHVEN, as per the geni curators !!!

I launched approx. 50 documents to this profile
@John Ruthven, Music Master in Glasgow
- because they were NOT yet properly determined
as, to how they fit into the RUTHVEN lines
- so, THEY SPAN about 4 generations
-also, I was blocked to add them to the proper profiles

first question: I've posted birth certificates for john Ruthven, not sure why we can not determine which one; and; a date of birth (except; it could be; they only kept Christian - christening records ?) @John Ruthven, Music Master in Glasgow - there is approx. 50 paid for documents, some maybe duplicates ?

The so-called RUTHVEN ranch; was NOT spelled as Ruthven, but, as, ruhlven
- and, there is no proof of any of these RUFFiNs BEING related to RUTHVEN !!!
INFORMATION HERE: http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~jinks/genealogy/ruffinsussex.htm

also the plantation was NOT Ruthven (until later years,
it really was called Rulhven
R U L H V E N ;)
https://wc.rootsweb.com/trees/246464/I30118/-/individual

ALSO; in old language - RUTHVEN is RiVEN !!!

Which is important related to JOHN RUTHVEN / of JOHN RiVEN
which might allow us to determine the correct date of birth
for JOHN RUTHVEN (RiVEN)

on a side note
NEAL has done some amazing work
connecting this group:

Cecilia Wemyss
her mother → Cecilia Ruthven, Lady of Wemyss
her mother → William Ruthven, 2nd Lord Ruthven
her father → William Ruthven, Master of Ruthven
his father → William Ruthven, 1st Lord Ruthven
his father → Sir Patrick Ruthven of that Ilk
his father → Sir John Ruthven of that Ilk
his father → Sir William Ruthven of Ballernach
his father → Sir William Ruthven of that Ilk
his father → William Ruthven
his father → William Ruthven
his father → Sir Walter of Ruthven
his father → Sir William Ruthven of that Ilk
his father → Sir Walter of Ruthven
his father → Alan son of Swein
his father → Swein son of Thor
his father → Thor son of Swein
his father
Swein son of Thor
Swein son of Thor

Managed by: Neil
Curated by: Anne Brannen

Both of these two people, have done amazing work on this !!!
thank you ;)

YOU CAN FiND THIS on GENI here:
Swein son of Thor's Family Tree
https://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000126010663926

SWEIN son of Thor Swani filii Thori (1180 X 1203) Swanus filius Thori (1180 X 1203) Swan son of Thor is the grandfather of Walter son of Alan, and the great-grandfather of William of Ruthven.

For those of us who are researching things:
I found a lot of spellings for RUTHVEN

a few I didn't expect

The first of the clan to have held the title of

'de Ruthven', was Swan de Ruthven in the year 1211

Swan is a transposed spelling of Swein,
and, they held the lands of Crauford in Clydesdale.
(which is also CRAWFORD)

OLD LANGUAGE - RiVEN

Scottish: habitational name, traditionally pronounced ‘Ri-ven’,
from any of various places in Scotland so named,
especially one near Perth and one in Inverness-shire.

The place is named either in Gaelic (ruadh ‘red’ + mhaighin ‘place’)
or with a cognate of Welsh rhudd faen ‘red stone’.
KaM, WN
Source: Dictionary of American Family Names
©2013, Oxford University Press

Similar surnames:
Methven, Ruben, Rother, Rutten,
Rushton, Ulven, Rothe, Ruhe, Duthie

I have found documents under:
RUTHVN
RUTHWiN
RiVEN

80% of Ruthven in Canada in 1800s
but, by 1900s
You can see how Ruthven families moved over time
by selecting different census years.
The Ruthven family name was found in the USA, the UK, Canada,
and Scotland between 1840 and 1920.
The most Ruthven families were found in the UK in 1891.
In 1911 there were 104 Ruthven families living in Ontario.
This was about 91% of all the recorded Ruthven's in Canada.
Ontario had the highest population of Ruthven families in 1911.

i'll explore this site - https://fabpedigree.com/s082/f020828.htm (not yet, researched)

What does Ruthven mean?
Pronounce
Ruthven
[ 2 syll. rut-(h)ven, ru-thv-en ]
The baby girl name Ruthven is pronounced as RAHTHVAHN †.
Ruthven's language of origin is Hebrew
and it is used mainly in the Scottish language.
Ruthven is a form of the English, German, and Scandinavian Ruth.

Ruthven is unusual as a baby girl name.
It is not ranked within the top 1000.
Among the family of girl names directly linked to Ruthven,
Ruth was the most regularly used in 2018.

† English pronunciation for Ruthven:
R as in "race (R.EY.S)" ;
AH as in "mud (M.AH.D)" ;
TH as in "theme (TH.IY.M)" ;
V as in "vow (V.AW)" ;
N as in "knee (N.IY)"

Ruta, (lit, pol)
Ilseruth(germ)
Ruth (sca/eng/sco)
Ruthven (sco)
Ruta, Ruthanne, Ruthie, Rutha, Ruthann, Ru (eng)
Ruthi, Ruthina, Ruthe, ruthy, Ruthine , Ruthi (eng)

From the lands and barony of Ruthven, in Perthshire, Scotland;
a river of the same name; "Ruithabhainn,"
i. e., the rushing or swift stream.

Arthur, William (1857)
An Etymological Dictionary of Family and Christian Names.
New York: Sheldon, Blakeman. Public Domain.

other spellings could be:
Ruithabhainn
Reven
Ruthvens
Reuthven
Ruthvon
Ruthaven
Rutheven
Ruthvien
Ruthfon
Ruthveen
Ruthvene
Rutven
Ruthben
Ruthvew
Rathven
Ruthvan
Ruthvein
Rwthven
Ruthvin
Rithven
Rothven
Ruhthofen
Ruthvn (error) ?
Ruthwin
or
Riven