William FitzAldelm de Burgh, Chief Justice of Ireland - The name is incorrect

Started by Stephen Burke on Wednesday, December 16, 2020
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12/16/2020 at 4:47 PM

There was a William Fitz Aldelm, but never a William Fitz Aldelm de Burgh, this is a conflation of two people William Fitz Aldelm and William de Burgh, the latter died in 1205. The actual William Fitz Aldelm was not the son of Aldhelm de Mortaigne, but actually Aldelin de Aldefelde amd was born in Yorkshire.He can't have been born circa 1157 becuase he was already serving as a royal steward in 1157. I can't see any Earl of Cornwall with the name Aldhelm de Mortaigne.

Some 17th, 18 and 19th Century genealogists created a completely fictitious family tree for William and Hubert de Burgh, linking in William Fitz Aldelm, Robert of Mortain, Charlemagne et al. The whole theory was demolished by JH Round in "Feudal England" (1909), and there is a further discussion in Clarence Ellis's "Hubert de Burgh A Study in Constancy" (1952). All academic papers on the de Burgh family of Norfolk accept that the family was so minor that we can't even be confident as to who the father of William and Hubert de Burgh was.

Finally there's a typo "Burgh-next-Aylsh" should be Burgh-next-Alysham.

5/7/2021 at 10:07 PM

Isabel FitzRichard, {Fictional} And her family had been isolated from the Geni World Family Tree, noted as {Fictional}, and added to the https://www.geni.com/projects/Spurious-Pedigrees/10512 project.

5/7/2021 at 10:12 PM

Anne Brannen I ran across a doozy of a Genealogy Fraud. Looking for links to the Round & Ellis articles.

Had you run across this before - a graft onto William, Count of Mortain going back to Charlemagne and infecting Counties Norfolk, Cornwall, “and” Ireland?

5/7/2021 at 10:13 PM

Oh, and French Royalty?

Agnes Capet, {Fictional}

5/7/2021 at 10:20 PM

I had not seen this before; thanjs! It’s delightfully awful.

5/7/2021 at 10:31 PM

Here we go.

https://archive.org/details/hubertdeburghstu0000elli/page/186/mode/...+

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lines of which stretch up to Charlemagne, Hubert appears as the direct descendant of Robert of Mortain, half-brother of William the Con¬ queror and first earl of Cornwall. This ancestry was accepted without question for many years. It appeared in Foss’s Judges of England^ and in the OJfcial Baronage of EnglandJ though in the latter with this variation, that Hubert is described as ‘great grandson of Wilham, second Earl of Cornwall’. H. W. C. Davis, in liis article on Hubert de Burgh in the 1910-11 edition of the Encyclopaedia Britannica states: ‘He traced his ancestry from Robert of Mortain, half-brother of the Conqueror, and first Earl of Cornwall’.^

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In Britannica 1911!!!!

5/7/2021 at 10:36 PM

Not in current Britannica.

Britannica, The Editors of Encyclopaedia. "Hubert de Burgh". Encyclopedia Britannica, 1 Jan. 2021, https://www.britannica.com/biography/Hubert-de-Burgh-English-justiciar. Accessed 7 May 2021.

5/7/2021 at 10:42 PM

Hubert de Burgh, 1st Earl of Kent Looks Ok now on geni.

5/8/2021 at 6:16 AM

Erica Howton Looking much better now. The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography article on Hubert de Burgh sets out what's known about his parentage:

"Burgh, Hubert de, earl of Kent (c. 1170–1243), justiciar, has been wrongly said to have been the son of a brother of William fitz Aldhelm, steward of Henry II. It is possible, though doubtful, that his father was the Walter whose daughter Adelina, with her son William, owed 40 marks in the pipe roll of 26 Henry II (1179/80) for recognition of their right to a knight's fee at Burgh, Norfolk. His mother's name was Alice, for in his grant (c.1230) of the advowson of the church of Oulton to the prior of Walsingham, Hubert stated that the gift was 'for the soul of my mother Alice who rests in the church at Walsingham' (BL, Cotton MS Nero E.vii, fol. 91). His elder brother was William de Burgh (d. 1206) who, in 1185, accompanied the king's youngest son, John, to Ireland, where he eventually became lord of Connacht; William's son would later refer to Hubert as uncle. Two younger brothers, Geoffrey de Burgh and Thomas, became respectively archdeacon of Norwich (1202) and then bishop of Ely (1225), and castellan of Norwich (1215–16). Hubert has been said to have been born in 1175, but if his brother William was of knightly age in 1185, a date some years earlier is more probable."

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