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Who is the father of Thomas AUSTEN

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Thomas Austen is on Geni as

  • born 1710 England
  • died 1777 England

2 sets of parents

Set 1

Set 2

Can anyone add any sources or evidence for these families?

Kent Family History CDROM for burials in Benenden have a Thomas Austen buried 8 Apr 1777. No age or parents are given.

Hi. Yes it is a puzzle. I've recently spent many days researching and double checking this issue. Edward and Elizabeth Vane seem to be the most likely as their dates and residences all match well with Thomas. The other parents don't have any sources, the dates are very broad and have no residence details. I've added a record in sources, of Thomas being born to Edward and Elizabeth for your information. Any other ideas?

Can anyone add any sources for these families

https://www.westminster-abbey.org/abbey-commemorations/commemoratio...
JUDITH was the wife of ROBERT AUSTIN of Tenterden in Kent Esq. and ye mother of a very considerable and hopefull famely in that county. She dyed ye 19th May 1716, aged 64 years.

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name:
Thomas Austen
Event Type:
Christening
Event Date:
24 Feb 1711
Event Place:
Kent, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Tenterden, Kent, England
Sex:
Male
Father's Name:
Edward Austen
Mother's Name:
Elizabeth

England Marriages, 1538–1973
Name:
Edward Austen
Event Type:
Marriage
Event Date:
3 Apr 1711
Event Place:
Kent, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Tenterden, Kent, England
Sex:
Male
Spouse's Name:
Elizabeth Vane
Spouse's Sex:
Female

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name:
Edward Austin
Event Type:
Christening
Event Date:
23 May 1714
Event Place:
Benenden, Kent, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Benenden, Kent, England
Sex:
Male
Father's Name:
Edward Austin
Mother's Name:
Eliz Austin

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name:
John Austen
Event Type:
Christening
Event Date:
24 Mar 1716
Event Place:
Kent, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Tenterden, Kent, England
Sex:
Male
Father's Name:
Edward Austen
Mother's Name:
Elizabeth

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name:
John Austen
Event Type:
Christening
Event Date:
24 Mar 1716
Event Place:
Tenterden, Kent, England
Event Place (Original):
Tenterden, Kent, England
Sex:
Male
Father's Name:
Edward Austen
Mother's Name:
Elizabeth

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name:
Elizabeth Austen
Event Type:
Christening
Event Date:
1720
Event Place:
Kent, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Tenterden, Kent, England
Sex:
Female
Father's Name:
Edward Austen
Mother's Name:
Elizabeth

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name:
Elizabeth Austen
Event Type:
Christening
Event Date:
12 Oct 1720
Event Place:
Tenterden, Kent, England
Event Place (Original):
Tenterden, Kent, England
Sex:
Female
Father's Name:
Edward Austen
Mother's Name:
Elizabeth

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name:
Mary Austen
Event Type:
Christening
Event Date:
16 Feb 1727
Event Place:
Tenterden, Kent, England
Event Place (Original):
Tenterden, Kent, England
Sex:
Female
Father's Name:
Edward Austen
Mother's Name:
Elizabeth

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name:
John Austen
Event Type:
Christening
Event Date:
5 Dec 1731
Event Place:
Kent, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Tenterden, Kent, England
Sex:
Male
Father's Name:
Edward Austen
Mother's Name:
Elizabeth

England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991
Name:
Edward Austen
Event Type:
Burial
Event Date:
27 Dec 1755
Event Place:
Tenterden, Kent, England
Event Place (Original):
Tenterden, Kent, England
Sex:
Male

Thanks Leanne. Hopefully this will satisfy everyone that Edward and Elizabeth are Thomas' parents. Appreciate your help!!

I still have 2 sets of Edward and Elizabeth - currently nothing has determined which set is his parents (or even if there are 2 sets)

Using Elizabeth Vane as another way of checking Thomas' birth there is also a mix up as there are 2 Elizabeth Vane. After researching, Elizabeth daughter of Sir George Vane would be the right one due to the birth dates. If you following the correct Elizabeth marrying Edward son of Robert and Mary Oliver.....they had Thomas who married Mary Buckwell.....
https://www.genealogieonline.nl/en/stamboom-valkenet-de-kruijf/I585...
What do you think Leanne?

Hi Leanne.

Looks like Edward Austen is also a puzzle to be worked out. I've just posted this the below but wanted to tag you into the discussion to have a look.....

Been checking this out and I think there are 2 different families being mixed up here with their Edward Austen sons:

Family 1: has Sir Robert Austen 1st Baronet b1580 begat: Col Robert Austen b1642 married Judith Freke begat another Col Robert Austen b1670 married Jane Strode begat Sir Edward Austen 6th Baronet b1705.

Family2: Robert Austen b1628 married Anne Siger and begat Robert Austin b1659 married Mary Oliver begat Edward Austin b1686 married Elizabeth Vane, daughter of George Vane and Hester.

What do you think?

Kathryn Maree Mead
Someone went in to the profiles and edited all the information and then merged them together. I think I have managed to revert them.

I think there is definitely 2 Edward AUSTIN's who married Elizabeth VANE's - but it is way outside my area of expertise to work out the finer details of which one married which one.

I am going to ask the other curators to see if someone more experienced in the location and time period can have a look for me.

Hi Leanne. The Austen saga goes down to Thomas Thomas Austen where he has 2 sets of parents. I'm not sure about the other similar line, but certainly 'our' Thomas comes from: Edward son of Robert and Mary Oliver; then to Robert and Elizabeth Vane daughter of George an Hester; then to Thomas. There may be another Thomas in the other line that family was mixed with, but the above is the Australian Thomas' line. When you get time would you mind correcting this as the system is showing incorrect lineage due to this. I'm hoping this corrects the Austen issue!!! Thanks for your help, it's much appreciated. Kathy

Hi Leanne. Has there been any progress on separating the USA descendants from the Australian descendants in this Austen line? All the reports we get for DNA matches are using the USA line ie Elizabeth Vane daughter of Lionel Austen rather than the Australian line ie Elizabeth Vane daughter of George and Hester. It's been incorrect for a long time now and am hoping it's close to being sorted out. Any news at all? thanks. Kathy
@Thomas Austen Thomas Austen

I have separated out the families with the details that can be proven.

Edward Austen, {unproven parents} married Elizabeth Austen and had children

Edward Austen son of Robert Austen and Mary Austen

Elizabeth Austen daughter of Sir George Vane and Hester Vane

Edward Austen son of Col Robert Austen, MP and Judith Austen

Elizabeth Clavering daughter of Sir Lionel Vane and Catherine Vane

https://peerage.org.uk/codex/peerage-record-22707/#i227061
James CLAVERING 6th bt 1680-1748 son of James CLAVERING and Jane ELLISON married 1) Catherine YORK before 1714 and had 5 sons and married 2) Elizabeth VANE daughter of Lionel VANE before 1740.

The line of Clavering Baronets matches to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Clavering_baronets&wpr...

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/185915759/elizabeth-clavering

Hi Leanne
The summary of people that you posted looks correct.....we're getting there!! The 2 Edwards are sorted and so are the 2 Elizabeths. Maybe we'll be able to merge the Aussie Edward with the new Edward, once we've compared everyone ok.

I changed all the sources from URLs to the documents so they are easier to see...hope I didn't miss any. Is there anything else I can do to help researching and sorting both these Austen families?

Think we're nearly there!!
Cheers
Kathy

Hi
We haven’t proved which Edward married Elizabeth yet.

Leanne

Elizabeth Vane b1683 spent her life in Durham, England and married and died there also.
Elizabeth Vane b1691 married in Kent, all children born in Kent and she died there also. Children were born to this Elizabeth when the other Elizabeth was marrying James Clavering
Is this satisfactory? Cross fingers!!

Elizabeth is sorted - and the correct one attached.

But we still have no evidence on which Edward she married.

  • Edward born 1678 to Robert AUSTEN and Mary OLIVER
  • Edward born 1687 to Robert AUSTEN and Judith FREKE

We know that an Edward AUSTEN died in 1755 - but there is no age or parents on the death record.
We know that an Edward AUSTEN married Elizabeth VANE in 1711 - but there is no age or parents on the marriage record

We have various websites that suggest one or the other but none of them contain any sources that prove which Edward.

The references I can find to Edward son of Robert and Judith Freke are in Stirnet (as posted previously) and Family Search. Stirnet says he married Mary Napier and Elizabeth Manning...... I've also checked my usual 'good' sites for Mary and Elizabeth and found nothing. Judith Freke is mentioned on a couple of webpages but no children listed (apart from Stirnet and Familysearch)....However, one does mention 'a very considerable and hopeful family' which would indicate at least a few children???
Family search however, lists about 8 children of Judith and Edward but has no Edward! BUT, shows Edward b1646 - 1712 as Robert's brother, not son. This is stated as a possibility in Stirnet also as this Edward being a generation earlier. This son/brother of Robert marries Elizabeth Manning (confirmed) and has 5 children. https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/LCFZ-3SY/edward-austen-1646-1712
Their children are all born prior to 1682. This Edward died in 1712.

Hope this helps!!
Kathy

Unfortunately none of the internet trees show the source for Edward's birth date or parents.

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