Col. Thomas Godwin of Nansemomd - Disputed origins

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11/27/2021 at 2:05 PM

Evidence needed to support Colonel Thomas Godwin, I, of Nansemond as child of Robert Godwin or Godwyn & Elizabeth Godwyn (Smythes) Disconnected.


W. G. S. “The Godwin Family.” The Virginia Magazine of History and Biography 5, no. 2 (1897): 198–204. http://www.jstor.org/stable/4242037:

GODWIN FAMILY,

Of Nansemond and Isle of Wight Counties, Va., with Notices of the Families of Holladay, Gray, Blunt, &c.

The first of this family, of whom there is any record, was Col. Thomas' Godwin, of Nansemond county, who was Burgess from that county in 1654 and 1658. It is uncertain whether he or his son, of the same name, was the Speaker of the House of Burgesses in 1676. His will was dated March 24, 1676-7, and beginning, " I, Thomas Godwin, of Nanse mond county, Gent'l," bequeathed to his son, Edmund, a parcel of land purchased of Lange, containing about 300 acres, on the western branch of Nansemond river, with all the cattle on it; also to Edmund 175 acres on the western branch of Nansemond, adjoining the lands of Mr. Jeremy Exam, also certain furniture and two negroes. To daughter, Elizabeth, one negro. " I suppose there may be about forty thousand pounds oi tobacco due among Mr. Burgess' children, after my pay for their keep- ing, and all other disbursments, the which I desire may be paid them. To my wife, all personal property, tobaco excepted. Appoint my son Thos. Godwin sole executor."

Col. Thos.1 Godwin married , and had issue:

2. Thomas2;
3. Captain Edmund2 of Nansemond county, married , and died about 1713. He was a vestryman of Chuckatuck Parish, Nansemond, about 1705, and was sheriff of the county. His will was proved in Nansemond in 1713. He left numerous descendants;
3. Elizabeth2.

11/28/2021 at 2:55 PM

Do we know this much?:
Birth: Birth estimated between 1578 and 1620 Somerset, England

11/28/2021 at 3:01 PM

No.

11/28/2021 at 3:01 PM

Caveat: the publication is 1897, I do not know what other published studies there might be.

11/28/2021 at 3:09 PM

Dates get very messed up between Thomas l & Thomas ll. Better to let the system calculate for Thomas l. IMO.

Found this

https://www.genealogy.com/ftm/b/r/o/Darrell-C-Brown/WEBSITE-0001/UH...

Notes for Thomas Godwin:
Thomas Godwin I came Virginia from England about 1634/1635.He established his Plantation Home at Chuckatuck, Nansemond County.
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Thomas GODWIN (Col.)
Sex: M
Title: Col.
Birth: ABT. 1623; probably Wookey, Somerset, England s930
Death: BEF. MAR 1678/79; Nansemond Co., VA
Occupation: ; Attorney at Law
Will: ; Mentions sons Edmund, Thomas, dau Elizabeth.
Probate: BEF. MAR 1678/79
Notes: Probably the son of Robert and Elizabeth Godwin of Wookey, England; [VA Hist. Gen., Boddie], ancestry uncertain.
Settled in Chuckatuck, Nansemond Co., VA about 1650.
A Burgess of Nansemond Co. 1654, 1655; Speaker of the House, 1676.
Made will 24 Mar 1677; probated 1678/9.
Will does not mention his wife by name.

11/28/2021 at 3:31 PM

I do find the origins of this profile problematic & is the one that creates dating difficulties:

William Godwin of Lower Parish

He’s not listed in Thomas l’s Will so he’s likely not a son of his. There is a William in Thomas ll’s Will; if he’s this William, then Thomas ll is born c 1626, making his father more in the 1600 range. Which is quite possible, but not in line for the other 2 kids.

I would be wondering about Y DNA studies and property studies.

11/28/2021 at 3:39 PM

Check out this page. I’m including to it more than Sally’s Place.

https://wc.rootsweb.com/trees/232977/I16734/william-godwin/individual

11/28/2021 at 4:09 PM

THAT is a wonderful tree! Excellent Notes

Notes: This probate record was extracted from microfilmed copies of the original Will Book.

11/28/2021 at 4:18 PM

I get Whitehead DNA matches.
Godwin is BOTH sides for me

Arthur Whitehead, Jr.

11/28/2021 at 4:21 PM

Thank you for correcting her line

11/28/2021 at 5:50 PM

I don’t know if the Godwin is “right” but I like it better. Actually it’s what I had had first time I looked at it - Ann Godwin as mother - but she got merged into her niece or whatever. Found her baptism record: https://media.geni.com/p13/2b/6d/8a/a0/5344485fefafd0b0/be8e863e-339c-4b90-8082-5dab41d8aab2_original.jpg?hash=e752b663ec0ee6a1505adbd840de69f960f6d52cc8e9ffd1f4d5278fbf748b3d.1729493999

11/28/2021 at 7:23 PM
11/28/2021 at 7:27 PM
11/28/2021 at 7:45 PM

Aboutedit | history
Not the same as Col. Thomas Godwin, II

Son of Matthew Goodwin~

Husband of Mary(Harrison) Goodwin (ca. 1670-1732), dtr. of Burr and Nancy Renoe (Burdette) Harrison ~ married 1697, Surry Co., VA

Thomas and Mary (Harrison) Goodwin, Sr.'s had 10 children and they were:

1. Thomas Goodwyn, Jr. (m. Amy Scott)
2. John Goodwyn (m. 1st., Sarah Wyche and 2nd., Winifred Tucker)
3. Penelope Goodwyn (m. Thomas Taylor, Jr.)
4. Amy Goodwyn (m. 1st., John Scott and 2nd., Isham Eppes)
5. Frances Goodwyn
6. William Goodwyn
7. Robert Goodwyn
8. Theophilus Goodwyn (m. Elizabeth Wyche)
10. Gideon Goodwyn (m. Martha Cain)

Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry County, Gent.

Gideon Goodwin

11/28/2021 at 8:10 PM

Also in dna chart, group 4 is John Godwin c1760 NC - c1800 NC md Mary Wells. Are these two profiles supposed to be the same?

John Godwin

John Godwin

11/28/2021 at 8:24 PM

WHY... when you look at this profile... Colonel Thomas Godwin, II ...it shows R-M269. Then when you view his father's profile... Colonel Thomas Godwin, I, of Nansemond ...the y-dna is gone?

11/28/2021 at 8:29 PM

Can someone request a merge here?

https://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000050693600852

I am unsure, and if I do the merge, it goes through.

11/28/2021 at 8:34 PM

Y DNA propagates to the 10th Gen on Geni.

11/29/2021 at 2:55 AM

Why is that? That makes no sense.

11/29/2021 at 5:37 AM

It’s the programming decision made years ago. And it makes sense to me: I do not trust that we have good pedigrees for more than a few before 1600. Anyway, nothing to be done.

11/29/2021 at 10:02 AM

Cynthia Curtis, A183502, US7875087 - I think that record is too “bare” to be able to identify it with this Thomas Godwin with confidence, but certainly, add the reference.

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