Catholic Baptism and Confirmation Names

Started by Private User on Tuesday, January 18, 2022
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Private User
1/18/2022 at 8:18 AM

I have researched the naming information available on Geni, but I didn't find this particular scenario, so I'm hoping some curators will weigh in on this.

In Catholicism, there is a baptismal name and a confirmation name. They are chosen from the names of Saints and they are not a legal name, it's a symbolic name that is part of the Catholic religious doctrine. The baptism name might also be the child's name, but not necessarily.

Where should the baptism and confirmation names appear? Should they be in the first-name field, along with the name that was listed in census records, death certificate and gravestone, or should they appear in the nickname field?

Here is the profile I'm looking for clarification on - Aglae Rose Adelaide Bache

After a merge, which updated the name field with her baptism name, I tried having a discussion with the manager about it, but I didn't get the impression he was open to discussion and then he blocked me.

You'll see in her bio that he states "Aglae is shorthened Aglaide, and Aglaide is a variation of name Adelaide". However, a Google search didn't come up with any connection for Aglae being a known nickname for either Aglaide or Adelaide. Her daughter-in-law is also named Aglae, but I haven't seen anything connecting her to the more formal names mentioned. Aglae is a French female given name, per Wikipedia.

I reached out to a curator and was told it shouldn't be in the name field and that as a manager, I should change it back and if it was changed again (which it was) it should be MPd and the name locked, but the curator wasn't interested in being the one to MP it, since it is not within their scope of interests.

I'm also wondering how having both names in the name field impacts tree matches and smart matches, as well as the use of Smart Copy. If we find her confirmation name, which usually doesn't match the birth name, it's going to be a crowded name field.

Private User
1/18/2022 at 11:51 AM

I am the other manager mentioned in this discussion. I have provided a valid source for the name Rose Adelaide, which I have added to existing name Aglae. The source is a transcription of a christening record published in a book. I politely corresponded with JC explaining what, and why I have added. I have presented a link, showing that I am not the only person considering Aglae and Adelaide to be two versions of the same name. JC "continued" our conversation by deleting names that I wrote, leading to, me blocking her.

Private User
1/18/2022 at 9:48 PM

Actually, you blocked me before I changed the name, because I had a response typed out to you and when I went to send it I was unable to.

I was already in discussion with a curator, before I ever messaged you the first time. When I realized I was blocked, I messaged the curator again and stated you had blocked me. 12/29/2021 at 4:47 PM

I was then told I could change it and that if it was changed back it should be MPd and locked. 12/30/2021 at 11:11 AM

Update on revision list: Dec 30, 2021 at 12:30 PM

Rose Adelaide is her baptism name. There is no other record of her using that name. Her death certificate, tombstone, and Pennsylvania and New Jersey, U.S., Church and Town Records, 1669-2013, all have her name as Aglae.

Geni doesn't seem to have a specific policy regarding baptism and confirmation names and I'm looking for clarification. The issue is going to come up again in the future and there needs to be a standard policy.

Private User
1/19/2022 at 6:23 AM

Christening records were the official records at the time. Aglae's parents didn't go to some government office to change her name after christening. There is no record of Aglae legally changing her name as far as we know. Aglae was a nickname that she used throughout her life. It is shorter and easier to use. A tombstone writing is no proof of a "real" name; family members pay to get written what they desire or are capable of paying for. There is a church burial record (referred to as a death certificate) available on https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6S73-GBB?i=385&amp.... This record refers to her as Agle, not Aglae.

Private User
1/19/2022 at 6:36 AM

I would like to know the name of the curator who apparently approved deleting the name I wrote.

Private User
1/19/2022 at 11:24 AM

Having a "Standard Name Policy" would be limiting to genealogy research. A researcher looking for a certain person couldn't find anything unless he guessed and typed the exact "Standard Policy" name. Having multiple name versions actually increases the likelihood of finding a person when using Geni searches, and googling as well. There is a question of who exactly knows what was a person's first name and who actually decides what should be written down as first/real/correct (or whatever we want to call it) name.

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