Janet Hay - Family fixes

Started by Erica Howton on Thursday, April 28, 2022
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From George Bartholomew

Evident confusion here as you have the children of Janet with the surname Thompson, yet you do not have her married to a Thompson. REASON: Her parents are incorrect.

I believe you will find that YOUR Janet (Lady Janet Balgnie Hay) is the daughter of SIR JAMES HAY1st Lord of Carlisle (1580-1636) Earl of Carlisle and Honoria Denny (1585-1614), daughter of Lord Edward Denny and Lady Cecil, Lady Cecil Denny is daughter of the 1st Lord of Exeter.

Your Lady Janet was married to WILLIAM THOMPSON (THOMSON) II (1600-1633) That's how her offspring carry the Thompson (Thomson) surname. JAMES HAY was a favorite of James VI and a Director of the Virginia Company

Hey Erica,
There is a lot of confusion around Janet Hay, her parents and spouse as I've found myself while trying to research.

I've also been using the Family Tree app/website which turned out to be just as confusing. It originally said in the app that her spouse was William Thompson, but here it says Robert Thompson, so I was wondering if you could clear that up for me as they had the same birthdate and almost the same information but different names.

Secondly, Janet Hay's parents. I and I'm sure many others might have been confused by this. In the family tree app it originally said that her name was Lady Janet Balgnie Hay with her father being John Hay and her mother Elizabeth Stuart. It also seems in this app that someone put Elizabeth of Bohemia instead, which is clearly incorrect.

Her offspring was William Thompson III and he married Mary Fordyce to my understanding as it is the same in both Geni and Family Tree.
Is her name indeed just Janet Hay and was she married to William Thompson or Robert Thompson, or are they the same person?
Was her father John Hay and her mother Elizabeth Stuart (not of Bohemia, as someone put) or is this information incorrect?

There is very limited records and information and some conflicting information which is why I believe this has led to some major confusion.

Thanks.

I think you should watch out for fraud, and probably ignore this profile.

There is no "fraud" here. What possible reason would prompt a nefarious person to perpetrate fraud? The lineage of Janet Hay is incorrect. There is a glaring problem in Erica's tree which is confusing fellow researchers. This is an attempt to shed light and have the problem corrected.

My reference to fraud is on the Thompson side. From the profile for Janet Hay

Thompson and Fordyce surnames are associated with Gustave Anjou (c. 1863-1942), a forger of genealogies. Caution should be exercised with this line.

Ref: [http://web.archive.org/web/20120721013946/http://personal.linkline....] on archive.org

If you suggest she be detached from parents currently showing as John Hay & Elizabeth Stuart I can do that. It’s not my research & not my family.

In August 2007, Gregory Lee Rice added the following, which looks like they all had many children in the old days. Which part is wrong and how do I fix it, if anyone knows? It shows: Robert William Thompson, Jr. is your 9th great grandfather and reflects "Husband of Janet Hay".

Robert William Thompson, Jr.
Gender: Male
Birth: August 12, 1600
Leith, Lananshire, Scotland, United Kingdom
Death: April 25, 1633 (32)
Leith, Edinburgh, Scotland, United Kingdom
Place of Burial: Leith, Midlothian, Scotland, United Kingdom
Immediate Family:
Son of William Thompson and Elizabeth Cunningham
"Husband of Janet Hay"
Father of Margaret W Thompson; John Thompson; Adam Thompson; Andrew Thompson; Maj. Robert Thompson; William Thompson; George Thompson and Isham Thompson « less
Brother of Thomas Thompson; John Thompson; Agnes Thompson; Samuel Thomson; Sarah M Thompson; Thomas Thompson; William Thompson; Dorothie Thompson; Samuel Thompson; Baby Girl Thompson; Thompson; Miss Thomson; Maria Thompson; Thompson; Elinor Thompson; Thompson; Thompson; Andrew Thompson and Samuel Thomson « less

DNA Markers: details
Added by: Gregory Lee Rice on August 18, 2007

Robert William Thompson, Jr. is your 9th great grandfather.
Steven Pirkkala
→ Caroly Pirkkala, your mother →

Charles William Thompson, Sr.
her father →
Charles Thomas Thompson, Jr.
his father →
Charles Thomas Thompson, Sr.
his father →
David Thompson
his father →
Adam Thompson
his father →
John Thompson
his father →
PVT John Thompson
his father →
John Thompson
his father →
William Thompson
his father →
Robert William Thompson, Jr.
his father

Janet Hay is your 9th great grandmother.
You
→ Caroly Pirkkala,your mother →
Charles William Thompson, Sr.
her father →
Charles Thomas Thompson, Jr.
his father →
Charles Thomas Thompson, Sr.
his father →
David Thompson
his father →
Adam Thompson
his father →
John Thompson
his father →
PVT John Thompson
his father →
John Thompson
his father →
William Thompson
his father →
Janet Hay
his mother

Janet Hay
Gender: Female
Birth: 1610
Argyllshire, Scotland (United Kingdom)
Death: December 1700 (89-90)
Argyllshire, Scotland
Place of Burial: Argyllshire, Scotland, United Kingdom
Immediate Family:
Daughter of John Hay and Elizabeth Stuart
Wife of Robert William Thompson, Jr.
Mother of Margaret W Thompson; John Thompson; Adam Thompson; Andrew Thompson; Maj. Robert Thompson; William Thompson; George Thompson and Isham Thompson « less

Added by: Gregory Lee Rice on August 18, 2007

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