Louis Demoss - Disputed origins

Started by Erica Howton on Tuesday, February 14, 2023
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Evidence needed to support Louis Demoss aa son of Louis Dumas, Vicomte De Drui & Catherine Dumas

There is No DeMoss or Dumas is listed as an ancestor at the Huguenot Society of America. < link

Additionally, see:

Disputed Origins

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Demoss-150

It has been claimed that Lewis Demoss (Demos, DeMoss) was the fourth child of Louis DeMoss (Dumas) and Marthe Duval de Rocoulle. There is no documentation establishing that the Lewis Demoss of Baltimore County is the Louis DuMas b 1681-1684 son of Louis and Marthe. This would place the birth of his first child between age 31 and 34 which is quite old for this time period. And, there is nothing in any primary source documentation indicating this relationship while the son of Louis and Marthe is otherwise accounted for. See Research Notes for discredited information. See Research Notes for Additional Information.

Additional links of interest.

https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/787871/lookup-request-register-of-qual...

Lookup Request Register of Qualified Huguenot Ancestors

If someone has access to Register of Qualified Huguenot Ancestors of The National Huguenot Society Fifth Edition, 2012 and its supplement, would appreciate a check if the surname Demos, Demoss, DeMoss, or Dumas is listed. In relation to: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Demoss-150

These surnames do not appear on the Societies abbreviated online list.

Rob and others, see the cautionary note in the answer thread below. It appears to me the Society database at http://www.huguenot.netnation.com/ancestor/AncestorLookup.php is most likely not supported by genealogically accepted documentation. In terms of the subject person for this thread, they cannot provide documentation that Louis Dumas II is the same person as Lewis Demoss found in Maryland beginning 1715. It seems the information comes from applications submitted to the Society, not research.

Thanks, Sandra. I missed that entry looking at the site.

Does anyone know where anything on this person that got him on the approved list might be found? The person in WikiTree who said to be Louis Dumas/Demos II has no documented relationship to Louis Dumas and Marthe Duval de Rocoulle and was detached from them in 2017.

Edit: Contacted the Society requesting further info on their Louis Dumas II.
commented Mar 14, 2019 by T Stanton G2G6 Pilot
edited Mar 14, 2019 by T Stanton
Registrar General of the Society wrote back briefly stating that in their Register the father Lewis Demoss of the Lewis Demoss baptized 1715 is Louis Dumas II. However this appears to be based upon applications accepted for society membership. I have asked if they maintain documentation for this or can steer me to someone with documentation. There are still significant date and geographic issues to say the Frenchman Louis Dumas II is the Lewis Demoss documented in Baltimore County by 1715 unless there is primary documentation they are the same.
commented Mar 15, 2019 by T Stanton G2G6 Pilot
Based on a second response from the Registrar General of the Society, it appears to me their records are those submitted by applicants and these may not (perhaps probably do not) contain what would be considered genealogically sound documentation.

The Society says Lewis who dies in Virginia 1743 is Louis Dumas II but has no documentation to support the claim and to date there is no documentation that Lewis Demoss who appears in Maryland in 1715 has any connection whatsoever to Louis Dumas II the Frenchman.
commented Mar 16, 2019 by T Stanton G2G6 Pilot
You may have missed this:

There are several "Dumas" listed at the Manakin Huguenot Society see URL: http://huguenot-manakin.org/manakin/lineages.php

Here’s about the DNA project:

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/demossofnorthamerica/about

A DNA descendant study of the surname Du Mas/DeMoss and variant spellings in North America with focus on the descendants of French Huguenot immigrant Louis duMas and wife Catherine Callot who founded Frenchman's Repose, Maryland and later migrated to early Colonial Virginia. The project has the intention of defining if the many variant spellings of the name in various areas of the US are associated with the duMas family that fled France and took up asylum in the Netherlands after the St. Bartholomew Massacre. Variations from Canada, Mexico, Netherlands, England, Australia, France are also of interest.

Private User - as admin for the DNA project, your comments are most welcome.

A reference mentioned is:

The De Moss family in America. by Caughron, Edith Susanna De Moss, 1887- (1951)

(There seem to be several different origin stories?)

https://archive.org/details/demossfamilyinam00caug/page/n11/mode/1u...

Page 13

“There is a tradition that two DeMoss brothers, Count Louis and Charles came to America from France soon after the St. Bartholemew Massacre of August 23 ami 24, 1572, being of the old French Huguenot stock; and that they landed at Charlestown, South Carolina; that Charles died soon of injuries received from persecutions in France, died childless, probably never married; and that Count Louis married the daughter of a Virginia planter.”

Page 13

Another tradition has it that our first DeMoss ancestor in to Virginia sometime during the Colonial period, married kidnapped and brought to Virginia where she was sold is a variation of the story heard from most DcMoss’s their DeMoss forbears, viz.: that the brothers Louis migrants, and that Charles died soon after coming, and of a Virginia planter.

Page 14

“Count Louis DeMoss, a Huguenot, fled from Paris, France, in October 1(>85; settled in Holland, where he died leaving a family; among whom were sons Louis and Charles. These sons came to America as stowaways in a ship. Charles had suffered wounds from persecutions in Europe, and these hindered his escape from an Indian attack in America which caused his death soon after coming ovei ; and probably he never married, as we have not been able to trace any account of him or de¬ scendants from him (though one tradition has it that he left a family of small chil¬ dren). Louis escaped the Indians, and married the daughter of a Virginia planter, and had a large family.

Page 30

Mrs. R. M. Hite, 611 Fairmount Ave., Fairmount, West Virginia, wrote Professor W. Wayne Smith, Moscow, Idaho, that LOUIS DUMAS and two sons CHARLES and Thomas, French, came over with Joist Hite’s son, Jacob Hite, who made trips to Eur¬ ope for settlers on the grant of land made to him by the Propietors of the Northern Neck (Lord Fairfax). This would account for the time of coming to America as later than 1732 when Joist Hite secured the Van Meter Grant of 100,000 acres of land for the settlement of a certain number of families in the Shenandoah Valley. It might have been as late as 1735: and it may well be that Louis DeMoss, son of the immi¬ grant,, LOIE DUMAS (WILL of 1743/4) was married and could have been the father of John Demoss, the Revolutionary patriot who died in Fianklin Co., Va. This John was born in France in 1732. However, since our findings in PARISH RECORDS and LAND RECORDS, of LOUIS DEMOSS (WILL of 1743/4, Orange Co., Va.) in Old Baltimore Co., Maryland, we know this one was born before 1715; and he was already in America in 1715.

Caughron, Edith Susanna DeMoss,. Maternal ancestral lines of Edith Susanna DeMoss-Caughron. unknown: E.S.D. Caughron, 1989. Section: “Outline of ancestral lines of Edith Susanna Demoss-Caughron.” Page 7. < AncestrySharing >

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Yes this is all true. I'm descended as well from the DeMoss/Dumas line from the Tennessee branch that established Bellvue, Tennessee in Nashville. A part of that line went to Phillips County Arkansas as the last name Newsome. My grandmother was Gertrude Newsome Jackson.

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