HELP WORLD FAMILY TREE

Started by Arash Mohammadi on Tuesday, October 31, 2023
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my ancestors were mostly uneducated and Muslims. Therefore I have no access to any kind of documents about my ancestors unlike most Christians who could have access to documents of their local church.

I would like to join the world family tree and see how I'm related to some historical people. How exactly can I do it? I uploaded my DNA to Geni.com. I had a DNA test using MyHeritage. I have found some relatives here on Geni.com but I can't add them to my family tree because they are too distant and also I don't know how exactly we are related. I'm pretty sure there must be a way for me to join the world family tree through DNA. The question is, how though?
Btw thats my profile: Arash Mohammadi

No, there is no way to join the World Family Tree thru DNA alone.
How many cMs do you share with your strongest three matches at FTDNA?

For the ancestors and other relatives you have added -- add dates of birth and death, approximating if not known exactly, and add places -- if not to the exact address, do you at least know what country?

What country do you live in that there are absolutely no records for any family members in the past two hundred years?

My three strongest FTDNA matches share 41 cM, 21 cM and 21 cM DNA with me.

I added all informations I knew. The problem is that in Afghanistan as far as I know, the people weren't that bureaucratic to have records.

In Afghanistan, are there still no records even to this day?

No family trees? No newspapers?
No letters from one member of a family to another mentioning a birth or marriage or etc.?

Have you interviewed your oldest relatives and written up what they knew?

It will not get you immediately connected to the World Tree, but it will make it easier for relatives in Afghanistan to connect to you.

AFGHANISTAN - any idea how many Geni-users from there?

No family trees, no newspapers, no letters. Stuff like this was seen as a waste of time I assume. My oldest relative already gave me all infos he knew.
And I don't know how many Geni users are from Afghanistan. Probably not so much.

Theoretically I just need to find someone who is already in the world family tree and find how I'm related to him, right?...

Connecting to the World Tree will NOT allow Geni to actually tell you how you are blood-kin related to other folks -- it will just allow Geni to create a convoluted path between you and others -
for example the 3rd cousin twice removed of the husband of the 2nd cousin of the ex-wife of the ...

As you are now, you can build out your Tree and add every bit of info you know to every profile on it -- and you can work in the World Tree to your heart's content, adding documents you find, and etc and etc.

For example, Elvis Presley was a famous singer in the US - Geni tells me "Elvis Presley is your great uncle's first cousin once removed's husband's first cousin twice removed's ex-husband's ex-wife's father." -- for some, this may be interesting, I suppose -- but it will just tell me such a path for my DNA Matches -- it will not tell me how I am blood-kin related to my DNA matches unless the connections are alteady entered on Geni.

Have you entered the dates and places of birth for yourself and your siblings and parents?
Possibly with note in the about that DOB and place of birth is from family knowledge.
And for those that are deceased, do similarly for Date of Death and place of Death.
Any Gravestones?

Do you know that info for your grandparents?

***You have entered over140 profiles - on what basis did you add them?***

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PS - according to DNAPainter, for 41 cM shared,
"Assuming no pedigree collapse or endogamy, and that you're related in just one way, the furthest back you might need to go to find common ancestors for a match of 41cM is 8th-Great-Grandparent level or generation 11 on your pedigree chart.
The connection could be closer. However, it could date much further back"

these are the likelihoods of the relationship it might be:
46% 5C3R † 6C 6C1R 5C 6C2R 4C1R 5C1R 7C Half 3C2R 4C2R 5C2R 7C1R 3C3R 4C3R 8C or more distant
20%Half 3C 3C1R Half 2C2R 2C3R20%4C Half 3C1R 3C2R
11%3C Half 2C1R 2C2R Half 1C3R4%Half 2C 2C1R Half 1C2R 1C3R~ 0%** 2C 1C2R

In other words, so far the matches are all too distant for there to be any real likelihood of you ever actually discovering how you are related to any of you matches

PPS - If any of your grandparents are still alive, get them DNA tested.
if not, but siblings of theirs are, get those tested.
If none of either, but parents are, get them tested.
If still no one, but siblings of your parents are alive, test them.
Then start on you own siblings, first cousins, second cousins, first once removed where that is available and first is not, etc etc

My grandmothers are still alive, but it is difficult to get them DNA tested since I live in Germany and they live in Afghanistan. I could get other relatives tested though, but will that really guarantee me joining the World Family Tree?

I have entered the dates and places of birth for myself, my siblings and parents yeah.
I don't think that gravestones have been used the way it has been in the west, especially in a country which has been in war for a long time.

An other problem: Yeah, I have entered 140 profiles. Seems like I duplicated almost every single profile because I uploaded it from a file again. How can I delete all profiles from my family tree and upload it? The family tree is isolated.

If you did a GEDCOM upload, you can undo it from your GEDCOM page (https://www.geni.com/gedcom). That will delete any profile that was uploaded from that GEDCOM that has no other managers and do an unmerge for the other and than delete the profile that came from the GEDCOM (the unmerge is a bit error prone, especially if there where mutations after the merge, but if you still have a stand-alone tree that should not be a real problem)

I believe you can only undo if the Gedcom has not totally finished. This spells out when and how you can undo: https://help.geni.com/hc/en-us/articles/360018818713-Can-I-undo-a-G...

It might make at least as much sense to merge the duplicates and then stick with SmartCopy rather than importing when you already have Profiles
https://www.geni.com/projects/SmartCopy/18783

Re: will testing relatives "really guarantee me joining the World Family Tree" -- No, totally not. Just increases the chances that if there is a relative who is a third cousin or closer who tests, that you will be able to realize it and work out how you are related.
If you match someone at 40 cM and your father matches him at 80 cM, then there is a really good.chance he is related on your father's side. If that and also your mother does not match them at all, then for sure.

Anybody in your extended family who married somebody from Germany or elsewhere in Europe -- or ?

I just did a search on "Afghanistan" in Projects and there are some - but most seem to be for US Soldiers who fought there and etc.
Maybe this has people that actually were from there? https://www.geni.com/projects/Notables-of-the-Islamic-World/16381
Plus maybe the people collaborating on the project know of more? https://www.geni.com/projects/Notables-of-the-Islamic-World/16381
It also has a list of related projects. But seems pretty slim.

As long as you do not have removed the GEDCOM file from Geni, you can undo a GEDCOM import.
Geni needs the file to know which profiles where in the import, so it can try to undo that import..

Job Waterreus - have never done a GEDCOM Import myself. Have been thinking that if and when everything in the file had been imported that Geni automatically deleted the file.
Is that not the case, and does it actually stick around until if and when the importer deletes it, or ?

No you upload it to Geni and stays there till you delete it.
An import from the GEDCOM only imports all connected profiles, so if your GEDCOM has unconnected branches that you want to import you will have to do multiple imports from the same file. As long as the file has not been deleted by the importing user, he/she can roll back the import.
Geni uses the GEDCOM file to determine which profiles must be processed for that action.
For any merged profile from the GEDCOM Geni will try to do an unmerge. Other imported profiles from that GEDCOM file will be deleted.
Not sure if that would work as expected for a MP profile that was relation locked.

It did not work, the duplicates are still there. The "undo" text was not there, so I clicked on "delete"

When it is deleted you cannot undo it anymore, so that was probably not the best action.

If I look at my own GEDCOM page I see
www.geni.com/media/proxy?media_id=6000000199715398822&size=large

Hmm, okay. Is there no way to just delete my entire family tree and upload that file again?

No, not really. On Geni when you have profiles connected to the Geni World Tree you can not really speak about "My Tree" anymore. Most profiles will have multiple managers and it is a shared tree.

You can ask for help in https://www.geni.com/discussions/257430 for fixing wrong relations if you are not able to fix them yourself.

Arash Mohammadi - Think Job forgot you are not connected to the World Tree.

Since you are not connected to the World Tree, if you click to close your Account, I believe you get the option to have it all deleted.
Too scared to look myself, but have been assured you get options and it is not just click to close and you are gone.
So you might click and check it out.

I suspect it would forfeit your Pro or else not close till it was over. So maybe open a Ticket and ask Customer Service to delete all but you -- or just do it yourself one Profile at a time as long as you are the only manager and no other Geni user is related to them.
Or do as Job suggests and just fix things.

Considering that folks are merging in Gedcoms of thousands, yours is doable.

I see you only added 58 profiles, so manual deleting what is wrong is doable, but correcting could be easier.

Job Waterreus - I mentioned on Oct. 31 that he had added over 140 - in his Activity it still says in Following "Showing 12 of 145" - but when you click for all, All is now 57 - so has def. gone down.

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